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Post by carlf on Jul 19, 2023 14:33:18 GMT -5
At its July meeting, the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) approved a rule to modify fishing regulations at Skyway Fishing Pier State Park.
Starting Oct. 1, 2023, the following changes will be in effect:
• Anglers must have proof of completing the annual education requirement.
o The use of the following gear from Nov. 15 – March 15 each year is prohibited:
o Fishing rigs with more than one hook attached (e.g., sabiki rig, chicken rig, topwater plug).
• Any multiple hook (e.g., treble hook).
• Anglers are limited to use of no more than two sets of hook-and-line fishing gear (e.g., rods or handlines).
The FWC will monitor the effectiveness of these regulations and return to the Commission with an update and recommendations for potential future action two years after implementation.
This rule is designed to reduce the likelihood and severity of seabird entanglement and further seabird conservation while allowing the tradition of fishing to continue at this location.
“This is a great beginning to resolve this issue for both anglers and bird conservationists,” said FWC Chairman Rodney Barreto. “We look forward to hearing an update from staff on the effectiveness of this rule at Skyway Fishing Pier State Park.”
For more information about Commission Meetings, including the July 2023 Commission Meeting presentation, visit MyFWC.com/Commission and click on “Commission Meetings.”
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Post by shot33gun9 on Jul 19, 2023 15:10:54 GMT -5
LOL! Good luck enforcing those rules.
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Post by Flatsrunner on Jul 19, 2023 16:04:35 GMT -5
annual educational requirement? That should be interesting, online maybe, with the broad spectrum of different cultures out there, Good Luck..
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Post by shot33gun9 on Jul 19, 2023 16:10:14 GMT -5
Yeah Flatsrunner, that 1 rule could keep hundreds of fisherfolks off those piers, maybe that's the point.
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Post by carlf on Jul 19, 2023 16:56:48 GMT -5
so if i replace all the hooks on a topwater plug with a single, non-treble hook on the tail end, is it legal???
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Post by shot33gun9 on Jul 19, 2023 17:21:14 GMT -5
Nov 15- Mar 15. What the hell is that? Why not year round? Is that based on some bogus scientific study they conjured up at the bar one night?
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fishtailz
Rod Polisher
Hour and a half drive to get there but love the skyway piers. Big fish available.
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Post by fishtailz on Jul 19, 2023 17:59:24 GMT -5
Sounds like the treble hook on a spoon will have to be replaced as well. Holy Mackeral, Man.
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Post by shot33gun9 on Jul 19, 2023 18:18:38 GMT -5
Don't sweat it fishtailz, nobody is gonna walk the piers checking for treble hooks, sabikis, or chicken rigs, certainly not FWC, they don't have the funding for that.
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fishtailz
Rod Polisher
Hour and a half drive to get there but love the skyway piers. Big fish available.
Posts: 119
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Post by fishtailz on Jul 19, 2023 18:21:59 GMT -5
Nov. 15th thru Mar. 15th sounds like FWC thinks the Pelican Problem is directly related to Snowbird Season.
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fishtailz
Rod Polisher
Hour and a half drive to get there but love the skyway piers. Big fish available.
Posts: 119
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Post by fishtailz on Jul 19, 2023 18:26:28 GMT -5
Damned Officer, Shotgun told me not to worry about it. What? You're confiscating my fishing gear and truck? And what about these handcuffs? Isn't that going a bit too far? All over a treble hook on my spoon? Wow. HaHa.
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Post by Flatsrunner on Jul 19, 2023 19:02:28 GMT -5
Most likely scenario would be at the proposed date. FWC officers will hit the piers checking to make sure everyone is compliant and giving all warnings and then you are on record, so the next trip they make down the piers and your names pops up you get a fine. All this grief because a lie told by a FOP spokesperson and slick pr. ads.
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Post by shot33gun9 on Jul 19, 2023 19:52:13 GMT -5
That will not happen
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fishtailz
Rod Polisher
Hour and a half drive to get there but love the skyway piers. Big fish available.
Posts: 119
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Post by fishtailz on Jul 19, 2023 20:04:38 GMT -5
Brown Pelicans typically do everything in the daytime. Wonder what percentage of Pelican issues occur after sunset? It's a little intimidating if you've never unhooked a Pelican before. That beak slams shut and my first thought was I wouldn't want to get my hand in there. The towel over the head is the trick. Not rocket science but I can see a sabiki making a mess out of one. Accidents happen. Rule number one. Pay attention. Rule number two. Never stick your hand in a Pelicans mouth.
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Post by fishfinderbill on Jul 19, 2023 20:16:45 GMT -5
I won't complain about the rules. Just like any other rule I don't like I either comply or work around them. How are they going to get the tourists to take the pelican education class when they won't know anything about it when they show up with their folding chairs, bottles of sun screen and picnic baskets.
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Post by fishsci on Jul 19, 2023 21:06:06 GMT -5
At its July meeting, the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) approved a rule to modify fishing regulations at Skyway Fishing Pier State Park. Starting Oct. 1, 2023, the following changes will be in effect: • Anglers must have proof of completing the annual education requirement. o The use of the following gear from Nov. 15 – March 15 each year is prohibited: o Fishing rigs with more than one hook attached (e.g., sabiki rig, chicken rig, topwater plug). • Any multiple hook (e.g., treble hook). • Anglers are limited to use of no more than two sets of hook-and-line fishing gear (e.g., rods or handlines). The FWC will monitor the effectiveness of these regulations and return to the Commission with an update and recommendations for potential future action two years after implementation. This rule is designed to reduce the likelihood and severity of seabird entanglement and further seabird conservation while allowing the tradition of fishing to continue at this location. “This is a great beginning to resolve this issue for both anglers and bird conservationists,” said FWC Chairman Rodney Barreto. “We look forward to hearing an update from staff on the effectiveness of this rule at Skyway Fishing Pier State Park.” For more information about Commission Meetings, including the July 2023 Commission Meeting presentation, visit MyFWC.com/Commission and click on “Commission Meetings.” Easier just go to: myfwc.com/media/31916/6a-rl-68b-5007.pdf |
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Post by fishsci on Jul 19, 2023 21:37:30 GMT -5
Sorry to have to say this, but for all those who are complaining: You reap what you sow...or you reap nothing if you sow nothing. At the last Commission Meeting, other than my comments, there were none (as far as I could identify) of the Forum members (other than me) who bothered to attend and try to inject any real understanding of fishing on the piers. The Commission staff obviously had almost no understanding about fishing. Comments from Forum members might have given them some understanding of the realities. There was one for-hire guide, not a skyway fisherman, who gave that kind of reality. But nobody else, except him and me, bothered to try to explain the reality of fishing from the skyway to those obvious non-fisher Commission staffers.
The rules will not negatively impact me very much, so my fishing will not be affected much. But if you did not bother to speak out, it is on you. .
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Post by shot33gun9 on Jul 19, 2023 21:49:59 GMT -5
Have you ever paused "praising yourself"?
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Post by Mackerelman on Jul 19, 2023 22:43:45 GMT -5
Sorry to have to say this, but for all those who are complaining: You reap what you sow...or you reap nothing if you sow nothing. At the last Commission Meeting, other than my comments, there were none (as far as I could identify) of the Forum members (other than me) who bothered to attend and try to inject any real understanding of fishing on the piers. The Commission staff obviously had almost no understanding about fishing. Comments from Forum members might have given them some understanding of the realities. There was one for-hire guide, not a skyway fisherman, who gave that kind of reality. But nobody else, except him and me, bothered to try to explain the reality of fishing from the skyway to those obvious non-fisher Commission staffers. The rules will not negatively impact me very much, so my fishing will not be affected much. But if you did not bother to speak out, it is on you. . I was on there but not with My Username-Mackerelman. I used My Real Name. I wrote in-(Emailed) My Comments like usual. |
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Post by Mackerelman on Jul 19, 2023 22:46:22 GMT -5
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Post by tears143 on Jul 20, 2023 6:46:51 GMT -5
Nov 15- Mar 15. What the hell is that? Why not year round? Is that based on some bogus scientific study they conjured up at the bar one night? winter when lots of pelicans are down here for winter... and also the baby pelican that is very clumsy. |
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Post by Flatsrunner on Jul 20, 2023 6:58:23 GMT -5
Sorry to have to say this, but for all those who are complaining: You reap what you sow...or you reap nothing if you sow nothing. At the last Commission Meeting, other than my comments, there were none (as far as I could identify) of the Forum members (other than me) who bothered to attend and try to inject any real understanding of fishing on the piers. The Commission staff obviously had almost no understanding about fishing. Comments from Forum members might have given them some understanding of the realities. There was one for-hire guide, not a skyway fisherman, who gave that kind of reality. But nobody else, except him and me, bothered to try to explain the reality of fishing from the skyway to those obvious non-fisher Commission staffers. The rules will not negatively impact me very much, so my fishing will not be affected much. But if you did not bother to speak out, it is I was on there but not with My Username-Mackerelman. I used My Real Name. I wrote in-(Emailed) My Comments like usual. I also emailed the FWC on the SSP issues, not everyone has the time to sit and wait to speak on that forum, It's not necessary to make assumptions without knowing all that had some input. I did hear from someone that represented the Skyway Misfits which has a large number of members. |
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Post by carlf on Jul 20, 2023 7:12:51 GMT -5
Nov 15- Mar 15. What the hell is that? Why not year round? Is that based on some bogus scientific study they conjured up at the bar one night? Its naturally the time of year with the most mortality for juvenile pelicans. As baitfish school migrate away or go deeper in the colder months, the juveniles have a very hard time finding food and are more likely to turn to begging and hanging around humans & fishing piers. We saw the same thing along the northern Gulf coast, in winter, half starved young birds show up around the fishing piers and had a higher rate of entanglement. |
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Post by carlf on Jul 20, 2023 7:17:11 GMT -5
Don't sweat it fishtailz, nobody is gonna walk the piers checking for treble hooks, sabikis, or chicken rigs, certainly not FWC, they don't have the funding for that. Actually, FWC agreed to have an employee full time on the pier. Not sure if it will be an officer or an biologist/educational specialist. My understanding is that education will come first, then warnings, then tickets. I fish the SSP/NSP about once a year, but I'll go ahead and take the online class each year. Which reminds me, time to renew my licenses. |
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Post by seabird on Jul 20, 2023 10:29:13 GMT -5
Sorry to have to say this, but for all those who are complaining: You reap what you sow...or you reap nothing if you sow nothing. At the last Commission Meeting, other than my comments, there were none (as far as I could identify) of the Forum members (other than me) who bothered to attend and try to inject any real understanding of fishing on the piers. The Commission staff obviously had almost no understanding about fishing. Comments from Forum members might have given them some understanding of the realities. There was one for-hire guide, not a skyway fisherman, who gave that kind of reality. But nobody else, except him and me, bothered to try to explain the reality of fishing from the skyway to those obvious non-fisher Commission staffers. The rules will not negatively impact me very much, so my fishing will not be affected much. But if you did not bother to speak out, it is on you. . Many of us couldn't attend the meetings. I sent in email comments a number of times. Don't judge the fishing community by mere attendance. |
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Post by seabird on Jul 20, 2023 10:31:23 GMT -5
Brown Pelicans typically do everything in the daytime. Wonder what percentage of Pelican issues occur after sunset? It's a little intimidating if you've never unhooked a Pelican before. That beak slams shut and my first thought was I wouldn't want to get my hand in there. The towel over the head is the trick. Not rocket science but I can see a sabiki making a mess out of one. Accidents happen. Rule number one. Pay attention. Rule number two. Never stick your hand in a Pelicans mouth. My experience fishing both at night and day is that the pelicans roost at night and are not a problem after dark. |
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Post by shot33gun9 on Jul 20, 2023 10:56:31 GMT -5
Very well then, all pelicans act clumsy IMO. They clearly don't see line as a threat like the seagulls and skimmers that will dodge it. I just hope I'm out there when the schools of big Bluerunners show up and my Aisian friends are slamming them on...Sabiki Rigs.....hahahaha
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Post by stuckintherocks on Jul 20, 2023 12:04:59 GMT -5
I’ve had no issues with pelicans at night, and only a couple incidents when I first started coming to the pier. That big bill is intimidating but don’t hurt much if they do bite ya. The pelicans do seem to be getting a little smarter, I’ve seen them recognize and avoid my line. although I’m guilty of soaking baits at night when the pier is empty during the morning and day time I’m a one rod kinda guy and have had no issues with maneuvering my line around a pelican as they are flying by. The only rule I really agree with is the less rods… I guess I can ditch my idea of a sabiki with all treble hooks led by a top water with a squid jig on the bottom…. Those damned blue runners didn’t stand a chance…
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Post by Mackerelman on Jul 20, 2023 15:32:35 GMT -5
Like I have said several times previously, the Pelicans roost at night in the mangroves and not on the piers.
Every once in a while, you may see a pelican resting on the pier handrail.
As for the treble hooks on lures, do like I did 2 years ago & replace them with single J-Hooks.
The fish are easier to get off the hooks with a single J-hook.
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Post by Mackerelman on Jul 20, 2023 15:45:49 GMT -5
so if i replace all the hooks on a topwater plug with a single, non-treble hook on the tail end, is it legal??? Yes. Replacing a Treble Hook to a Single Hook on a Lure is Legal. I did that over 2 years ago because I knew that this crap was coming. The FWC just wants to get the Treble Hook off of the Skyway Pier's Agenda just to please the Bird People because they won't stop. Sometimes We have to give a little to get what We need. It could have been much worse. |
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Post by Mackerelman on Jul 20, 2023 15:53:47 GMT -5
Have you ever paused "praising yourself"? He sometimes sounds like an Old Woman without Her Dry Panties. Never an Appreciation or Good Comment from Him. He thinks that He is the only Fisherman out there & the one in charge. He is not in Charge of Me. Just let Him be. |
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