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Post by Mackerelman on Feb 9, 2023 14:10:16 GMT -5
These Sheepshead & Macks were caught off the Coast from a Trip off of SaltyD Charters out of Hernando County. The Air Temperature & the Water Temperatures are steadily Rising in the Gulf & Tampa Bay. www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/weather/marineAfter this Next Cold Front Pass & It Should be Gametime for the Macks.
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Post by navygmc on Feb 9, 2023 15:58:34 GMT -5
Same time frame every year just about. Mid February
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Post by Mackerelman on Feb 9, 2023 21:23:37 GMT -5
Same time frame every year just about. Mid February I have been keeping track of the Macks for about the last 30 Years here in Tampa Bay & Yes Navygmc, I Totally Agree with You. I am going out there next week hoping the Macks keep their Yearly Schedule. The Air Temperature & the Weather Temperatures are just right. Let's hope for the Winds to come up from the South that will bring the Macks into Tampa Bay.
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Post by navygmc on Feb 9, 2023 22:12:24 GMT -5
Last year middle of February weekend... I caught 40+ on Saturday and then 30+ on Sunday at South side
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Post by Mackerelman on Feb 9, 2023 23:44:36 GMT -5
According to Baynews9 this Evening, The Gulf is 68 degrees & the Bay is 71 Degrees. And the winds are coming from the South. That will definitely bring up the Macks from their Short Winter Home. The Cold Front this Weekend will make the Macks Real Hungry for Next Week. Fellow Anglers, Do Not Miss the Big Ones. They are Fun to Catch. Catch them before the Dolphins arrive. They will arrive right behind the Macks. Also, Watch Out for the Birds ! www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/weather/marinewww.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/weather/7-day-forecast
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Post by stuckintherocks on Feb 10, 2023 14:41:39 GMT -5
Got a few macks off the ssp Tuesday morning, small ones but they startin to show up..
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Post by maksandjacks on Feb 14, 2023 10:15:21 GMT -5
Heading out to SSP Friday throwing spoons and gothchas will let yall know if the bites hot
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Post by fishfinderbill on Feb 14, 2023 21:24:16 GMT -5
We should be there on Thurs. SAVE US A FEW!
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Post by Mackerelman on Feb 14, 2023 23:39:12 GMT -5
We should be there on Thurs. SAVE US A FEW! I was thinking about going Tomorrow-(Wednesday) or Thursday until I saw the Tide Schedule. Thursday is only a 2 Tide Day. The 4 Tide Days produce more Fish & Cleaner Water for the Macks. If You Go, Let us know how You did. Good Luck ! tides4fishing.com/us/florida-gulf-coast/mullet-key-channel-skyway
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Post by fishsci on Feb 15, 2023 9:51:12 GMT -5
We should be there on Thurs. SAVE US A FEW! I was thinking about going Tomorrow-(Wednesday) or Thursday until I saw the Tide Schedule. Thursday is only a 2 Tide Day. The 4 Tide Days produce more Fish & Cleaner Water for the Macks. If You Go, Let us know how You did. Good Luck ! tides4fishing.com/us/florida-gulf-coast/mullet-key-channel-skywayHuh??? How does it figure that a continual incoming tide that brings in Gulf water all day and from about 2 AM until after 6 PM does not result in the clearest water? However, the water temperature in the Gulf from Tampa Bay south is above 68 F, and thus conducive for the northward migration to start. At the Skyway yesterday the water temperature was above 68 F almost all day, except falling a tiny bit lower for a short time. See: tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/ports/ports.html?Although 70 degrees is more sure-fire for mackerel migration, conditions are right. However, that does not happen every year on Valentines Day. Some years the Gulf temperature is far to cold off Tampa Bay, for the mackerel to have migrated this far north.
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Post by Flatsrunner on Feb 15, 2023 11:39:45 GMT -5
Huh??? How does it figure that a continual incoming tide that brings in Gulf water all day and from about 2 AM until after 6 PM does not result in the clearest water? However, the water temperature in the Gulf from Tampa Bay south is above 68 F, and thus conducive for the northward migration to start. At the Skyway yesterday the water temperature was above 68 F almost all day, except falling a tiny bit lower for a short time. See: tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/ports/ports.html?Although 70 degrees is more sure-fire for mackerel migration, conditions are right. However, that does not happen every year on Valentines Day. Some years the Gulf temperature is far to cold off Tampa Bay, for the mackerel to have migrated this far north. When someone post over 4300 posts with hundreds of pictures to confirm that a certain species should be migrating towards the bay at certain times, including the piers and years of past experience fishing the piers I personally would trust that person statements, and yes four tide days do flush water out of our bay better than long two tide days resulting in cleaner water. With your 95 posts and ZERO pictures what do you have to back up your conflicting views and derogatory statements?
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Post by stuckintherocks on Feb 15, 2023 11:49:07 GMT -5
Huh??? How does it figure that a continual incoming tide that brings in Gulf water all day and from about 2 AM until after 6 PM does not result in the clearest water?. Because the tide moving slower.. not flushing through as quickly.. you ever used a low flow toliet compared to a regular one ? Which one still had sh!t in it after you flushed ? Hahaha
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Post by Mackerelman on Feb 15, 2023 12:58:26 GMT -5
Huh??? How does it figure that a continual incoming tide that brings in Gulf water all day and from about 2 AM until after 6 PM does not result in the clearest water?. Because the tide moving slower.. not flushing through as quickly.. you ever used a low flow toliet compared to a regular one ? Which one still had sh!t in it after you flushed ? Hahaha I Cannot Agree with You more. In My Opinion, the Larger Macks like Faster moving Water. That is when the Smaller Macks begin to move in. Plus, if Everyone has been Following the Red Tide Reports, there is Red Tide where the Gulf Meets Tampa Bay. I think that the Macks may be avoiding Tampa Bay at this time & going in north of us just like last year with the Spill from the Phosphate Plant. I have Always enjoyed Fishing on a 4 Tide Day because I catch more & Bigger Fish on a 4 Tide day. As for fishsci's comment, I'll just be the Better Man & just ignore what he says. He sounds more like a stupid politician putting down what others say & claim that he is the G.O.A.T. of Fishing. (Not meant to offend any goats) He needs to get off his Butt & off of here with his BS Comments & go Fishing in Tampa Bay on a 2 Tide Day & a 4 Tide Day & then report on his catch each day & tell us the difference of the 2 & 4 Tide Days. Some people just cannot post anything of value. They just try to find any type of fault in others & try to discourage them. I like the Faster Moving Toilets. fishsci must have a slow moving toilet. He must like the smelly crap hanging around because he is full of crap.
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Post by stuckintherocks on Feb 15, 2023 13:37:54 GMT -5
Because the tide moving slower.. not flushing through as quickly.. you ever used a low flow toliet compared to a regular one ? Which one still had sh!t in it after you flushed ? Hahaha I Cannot Agree with You more. In My Opinion, the Larger Macks like Faster moving Water. That is when the Smaller Macks begin to move in. Plus, if Everyone has been Following the Red Tide Reports, there is Red Tide where the Gulf Meets Tampa Bay. I think that the Macks may be avoiding Tampa Bay at this time & going in north of us just like last year with the Spill from the Phosphate Plant. I have Always enjoyed Fishing on a 4 Tide Day because I catch more & Bigger Fish on a 4 Tide day. As for fishsci's comment, I'll just be the Better Man & just ignore what he says. He sounds more like a stupid politician putting down what others say & claim that he is the G.O.A.T. of Fishing. (Not meant to offend any goats) He needs to get off his Butt & off of here with his BS Comments & go Fishing in Tampa Bay on a 2 Tide Day & a 4 Tide Day & then report on his catch each day & tell us the difference of the 2 & 4 Tide Days. Some people just cannot post anything of value. They just try to find any type of fault in others & try to discourage them. I like the Faster Moving Toilets. fishsci must have a slow moving toilet. He must like the smelly crap hanging around because he is full of crap. Agreed… I got no issues wit anybody and don’t mind someone who is more focused on “scientific facts” but it don’t take a rocket scientist to stand on the pier and look at the quality of the water on a 4 tide day vs a 2… fishci, I think you need to stop focusing on science and facts and get out there and actually try your luck.. I get the same 2 days off every week and go out to the pier no matter what tide, rain, or shine.. that’s how you learn the patterns of which days are producing a limit on fish vs just a couple here and there… and besides that, a fact is only a fact until a new study is done that proves the old “fact” wrong… you can’t base your whole fishing experience simply on science or facts as it is constantly changing and developing day by day
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Post by fishsci on Feb 15, 2023 19:33:46 GMT -5
I know that sometimes what seems like a simple reasonably analogy is actually not right. As for the toilet analogy, it is not only not right, but is a crapty analogy. If you look at the NOAA tide data, it tells you that the tidal range tomorrow on a two-tide day is from -041 ft to + 2.44. That is a total range of 2.85 ft. On a 4-tide day next Thursday, the range is +.39 to 1.91 ft, or a total range of 1.60. The volume of Gulf water that comes into Tampa Bay is closesly proportional to the height = volume of water that comes into the bay with the incoming tide. That means that 2.85/1.60 or 1.78 or almost two times as much clearer Gulf water flows into the bay tomorrow that will pass under the Skyway a week from now on that 4-tide day. If that explaination does not convince you, here is another way to think about and understand it. If there was such a thing as a ten tide day, just a tiny bit of bay water would slosh back and forth under the skyway, with almost no clearer Gulf water reaching the pier. As for Spanish mackerel "liking" faster moving water, there is no real reason to believe that. In the normal, most-common habitat in the nearshore Gulf, the water moves fare more slowly than into Tampa Bay. Perhaps they are caught more frequently at the pier on fast moving water -- for various unknown reasons, but it is not because they like it. Finally, as for MM's personal attacks about my fishing experience -- I can tell you with total certainty that I have caught more Spanish Mackerel at more different places along the Gulf and Atlantic, under more conditions and with more different methods than his one-note casting a spoon with a 2-3 oz. weight on a long leader. Admittedly that technique can be very productive when the macs are around in large numbers, but not so effective at other times. And, 30# line for a fish that averages closer to 1# If that is sporting, then when you try for king mackerel ( that average something like 15#) from the N pier in a couple of weeks,you better break out your 16/0 outfit and spool it with 450# line.
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Post by Flatsrunner on Feb 15, 2023 19:52:28 GMT -5
As I said before With only 95 post and ZERO pictures to back up ,there's no legit claim to your claim of called expertise, put up or find a new pastime.
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Post by Mackerelman on Feb 15, 2023 20:25:32 GMT -5
As I said before With only 95 post and ZERO pictures to back up ,there's no legit claim to your claim of called expertise, put up or find a new pastime. Many people on here have known Me for many years before & I always posts Pics of My Catches of the day like many of Us do. There have been many times that I caught the only Macks on the Piers using My Fishing Rig for the Macks. Many others on the piers investigate on how I have caught them and then they try it. Some win the battle & some lose. That is just Fishing Luck. Everyone has their own way of catching Macks & I admire the ways they reel them in. I have learned from the Best in My past & I just pass it on when I am asked. Unfortunately, fishsci has never met me. And Yes, where is his pics of his Fish caught on a 2 or 4 tide days ? I have never seen the 1st one.
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Post by fishsci on Feb 15, 2023 21:19:47 GMT -5
Some fishermen do not get off on posting pictures or trying to look good. I only post results -- not to try to make myself look special on this forum -- only if it helps others.
Attacks from those who try to look good do not matter to me...should not to others.
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Post by Flatsrunner on Feb 15, 2023 21:56:49 GMT -5
Some fishermen do not get off on posting pictures or trying to look good. I only post results -- not to try to make myself look special on this forum -- only if it helps others. Attacks from those who try to look good do not matter to me...should not to others. What results, talk or pictures. show something.
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Post by Mackerelman on Feb 15, 2023 23:43:09 GMT -5
Some fishermen do not get off on posting pictures or trying to look good. I only post results -- not to try to make myself look special on this forum -- only if it helps others. Attacks from those who try to look good do not matter to me...should not to others. What results, talk or pictures. show something. I don't Post Fish Pics to look good. I post Fish Pics because others want to know what the Final Results of My Fishing Experience was for that day. I thought that was why We All Joined This Forum. Maybe next Week I may Post My Results with info like usual. That always helps others in planning their Fishing Adventure. I am just waiting for a Good 4 Tide Day with the Tides at the right time with Good Weather Conditions. If I look Good in doing so, So What ? Who Cares ?
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Post by Mackerelman on Feb 15, 2023 23:59:56 GMT -5
I know that sometimes what seems like a simple reasonably analogy is actually not right. As for the toilet analogy, it is not only not right, but is a crapty analogy. If you look at the NOAA tide data, it tells you that the tidal range tomorrow on a two-tide day is from -041 ft to + 2.44. That is a total range of 2.85 ft. On a 4-tide day next Thursday, the range is +.39 to 1.91 ft, or a total range of 1.60. The volume of Gulf water that comes into Tampa Bay is closesly proportional to the height = volume of water that comes into the bay with the incoming tide. That means that 2.85/1.60 or 1.78 or almost two times as much clearer Gulf water flows into the bay tomorrow that will pass under the Skyway a week from now on that 4-tide day. If that explaination does not convince you, here is another way to think about and understand it. If there was such a thing as a ten tide day, just a tiny bit of bay water would slosh back and forth under the skyway, with almost no clearer Gulf water reaching the pier. As for Spanish mackerel "liking" faster moving water, there is no real reason to believe that. In the normal, most-common habitat in the nearshore Gulf, the water moves fare more slowly than into Tampa Bay. Perhaps they are caught more frequently at the pier on fast moving water -- for various unknown reasons, but it is not because they like it. Finally, as for MM's personal attacks about my fishing experience -- I can tell you with total certainty that I have caught more Spanish Mackerel at more different places along the Gulf and Atlantic, under more conditions and with more different methods than his one-note casting a spoon with a 2-3 oz. weight on a long leader. Admittedly that technique can be very productive when the macs are around in large numbers, but not so effective at other times. And, 30# line for a fish that averages closer to 1# If that is sporting, then when you try for king mackerel ( that average something like 15#) from the N pier in a couple of weeks,you better break out your 16/0 outfit and spool it with 450# line. I think what bothers people bout your posts is the fact that you’re tryin to use numbers to disprove a gathering of peoples personal experiences..I may have jus started postin but I’ve used these forums for years n years to learn how to fish these piers with great success through trial n error of a combination of my own n other peoples experiences.. you’re tryna catch fish with a calculator around people who’d rather go out n try for themselves… besides that I question the credibility of the fish you claim to catch when I distinctly remember all of your earliest posts being about how you had tried fishing certain parts of the pier that other people said were producing and didn’t catch any fish.. He was definitely doing something wrong. I haven't been Fishing in over 1 1/2 years due to Me getting Squamous Cell Skin Cancer. That is why I haven't been Posting any Fish Pictures in that Time Frame. But now since I am Cancer Free from My Surgery & All Healed up from the Surgery with 1 more week to go since My Doctor Visit yesterday, I am going Fishing next week. I will Post some Pics if My Luck is good no matter where I Fish on the Piers. I usually catch Macks anywhere I Fish on the Piers.
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Post by Flatsrunner on Feb 16, 2023 7:31:01 GMT -5
Congrats on being cancer free Mackererel man,I've been through that battle twice myself,been cancer free for almost 15 years now,enjoy your fishing days.
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Post by Mackerelman on Feb 16, 2023 11:22:07 GMT -5
Congrats on being cancer free Mackererel man,I've been through that battle twice myself,been cancer free for almost 15 years now,enjoy your fishing days. Thank You Very Much Flatsrunner ! Congratulations on Your almost 15 Years ! It feels Great being Free of that Crap. Fish On My Friend & Good Luck !
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Post by fishsci on Feb 16, 2023 12:50:40 GMT -5
I think what bothers people bout your posts is the fact that you’re tryin to use numbers to disprove a gathering of peoples personal experiences..I may have jus started postin but I’ve used these forums for years n years to learn how to fish these piers with great success through trial n error of a combination of my own n other peoples experiences.. you’re tryna catch fish with a calculator around people who’d rather go out n try for themselves… besides that I question the credibility of the fish you claim to catch when I distinctly remember all of your earliest posts being about how you had tried fishing certain parts of the pier that other people said were producing and didn’t catch any fish.. He was definitely doing something wrong. I haven't been Fishing in over 1 1/2 years due to Me getting Squamous Cell Skin Cancer. That is why I haven't been Posting any Fish Pictures in that Time Frame. But now since I am Cancer Free from My Surgery & All Healed up from the Surgery with 1 more week to go since My Doctor Visit yesterday, I am going Fishing next week. I will Post some Pics if My Luck is good no matter where I Fish on the Piers. I usually catch Macks anywhere I Fish on the Piers.
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Post by fishsci on Feb 16, 2023 13:06:32 GMT -5
I think what bothers people bout your posts is the fact that you’re tryin to use numbers to disprove a gathering of peoples personal experiences..I may have jus started postin but I’ve used these forums for years n years to learn how to fish these piers with great success through trial n error of a combination of my own n other peoples experiences.. you’re tryna catch fish with a calculator around people who’d rather go out n try for themselves… besides that I question the credibility of the fish you claim to catch when I distinctly remember all of your earliest posts being about how you had tried fishing certain parts of the pier that other people said were producing and didn’t catch any fish.. He was definitely doing something wrong. I haven't been Fishing in over 1 1/2 years due to Me getting Squamous Cell Skin Cancer. That is why I haven't been Posting any Fish Pictures in that Time Frame. But now since I am Cancer Free from My Surgery & All Healed up from the Surgery with 1 more week to go since My Doctor Visit yesterday, I am going Fishing next week. I will Post some Pics if My Luck is good no matter where I Fish on the Piers. I usually catch Macks anywhere I Fish on the Piers. I too am glad to hear that you have recovered and will be able to go fishing again. As for reporting not catching mackerel when/where others were catching some, It was because I was using techniques that were different from them. I have tried using the heavy weight/long leader/spoon technique some times. However, I find that way of fishing is not very much fun for me. I usually cast jigs or gothcha type lures, and infrequently drift a live bait or strip. Dragging a 1-lb mackerel in on heavy line (15-20 lb is what I use because of the heavy lead) on a 9-ft heavy rod is a good way to catch a large number of mackerel when they are thick around the pier, but I like the sport of seeing the mackerel follow a lure, and make those exciting passes until one takes it. I never aim to catch a cooler full of mackerel. Half a dozen is about all I ever want to kill and take home, because they do not freeze well (to my tastes, others tastes may vary), and I only like them fresh. I have no idea why anyone or two fishermen want to kill 15-30 mackerel -- unless maybe they are going to put them into a smoker.
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Post by fishsci on Feb 16, 2023 17:06:59 GMT -5
I know that sometimes what seems like a simple reasonably analogy is actually not right. As for the toilet analogy, it is not only not right, but is a crapty analogy. If you look at the NOAA tide data, it tells you that the tidal range tomorrow on a two-tide day is from -041 ft to + 2.44. That is a total range of 2.85 ft. On a 4-tide day next Thursday, the range is +.39 to 1.91 ft, or a total range of 1.60. The volume of Gulf water that comes into Tampa Bay is closesly proportional to the height = volume of water that comes into the bay with the incoming tide. That means that 2.85/1.60 or 1.78 or almost two times as much clearer Gulf water flows into the bay tomorrow that will pass under the Skyway a week from now on that 4-tide day. If that explaination does not convince you, here is another way to think about and understand it. If there was such a thing as a ten tide day, just a tiny bit of bay water would slosh back and forth under the skyway, with almost no clearer Gulf water reaching the pier. As for Spanish mackerel "liking" faster moving water, there is no real reason to believe that. In the normal, most-common habitat in the nearshore Gulf, the water moves fare more slowly than into Tampa Bay. Perhaps they are caught more frequently at the pier on fast moving water -- for various unknown reasons, but it is not because they like it. Finally, as for MM's personal attacks about my fishing experience -- I can tell you with total certainty that I have caught more Spanish Mackerel at more different places along the Gulf and Atlantic, under more conditions and with more different methods than his one-note casting a spoon with a 2-3 oz. weight on a long leader. Admittedly that technique can be very productive when the macs are around in large numbers, but not so effective at other times. And, 30# line for a fish that averages closer to 1# If that is sporting, then when you try for king mackerel ( that average something like 15#) from the N pier in a couple of weeks,you better break out your 16/0 outfit and spool it with 450# line. I think what bothers people bout your posts is the fact that you’re tryin to use numbers to disprove a gathering of peoples personal experiences..I may have jus started postin but I’ve used these forums for years n years to learn how to fish these piers with great success through trial n error of a combination of my own n other peoples experiences.. you’re tryna catch fish with a calculator around people who’d rather go out n try for themselves… besides that I question the credibility of the fish you claim to catch when I distinctly remember all of your earliest posts being about how you had tried fishing certain parts of the pier that other people said were producing and didn’t catch any fish.. In a strange way, you are right. I am just trying to help fellow fishermen from getting wrong information, that SEAMS to be right because it based on experience, but comes to the wrong conclusion. I want to do that by pointing out, for example, that the fact of the matter is that there is a huge amount of scientific data that shows that mackerel migration is very strongly dependent on water temperature, with the migration starting northward at around 69 to 70 degrees. In many years the temperature reaches that in the Gulf and bay around Valentines Day, but frequently it does not and there are few or no mackerel in the bay on Valentines Day. Do you and others disapprove my trying to explain to fishermen that they should not waste the time and effort of coming to the piers right on Valentines Day, because one fishermen had experienced good catches of mackerel then, or maybe they should wait if they can find information that tells them that the water is still too cold for a full-scale migration to start this year? Fishermen are notorious for trying to try to figure out things based on their personal experience, but often what they think is causing what they experience is incorrect. The same kind of incorrect idea probably apply to the two-tide versus four tide days and currents. A fisherman may have experienced better fishing for mackerel on 4-tide days when the current was strongest. To say that this shows that mackerel "like" faster current has no basis in fact. If it was said that fishing tended to be best when the current is strong, would be a reasonable thing to say. Although I have no real information to prove it, I suggest that one of the reasons is that when the current is sweeping fast under the bridge/pier, the mackerel are pushed closer and within casting/catching distance before they start to swim slightly into the current and parallel to the pier before getting to the end and then around it. They, except for maybe some of the very small resident mackerel almost never swim under/through the pier. On special occasions, when mackerel were abundant, and the water as very clear, I have observed schools of mackerel come into a pier and then swim alongside of it before reaching the end and then continuing to swim in their original direction. Plus, I am sure that there probably are many other factors that enter into the relationship between current and mackerel catches. Here is an old but very good example of fishermen coming to a very wrong conclusion based on their experiences: For many decades fishermen believed that snook spawned well up the tidal creeks and rivers, because that was almost the only place where they caught a lot of little snook. These fishermen came to Florida Dept. of Natural Resource meetings and said that there was no need to protect snook from being caught in the early summer and summer around and near the Gulf passes -- because they spawned up the creeks and rivers. However, quickly and clearly shown that their conclusion based on experience was very wrong. It was soon determined,through scientific study, that they spawned in the Gulf passes and a few other places along the open bay, that their larvae were swept up the creeks and rivers by the tides, and they settled juveniles there -- and that is why there are many small snook there. Even a lot of experience can lead to wrong conclusions. If you or any others want to incorrectly believe that what you and others have have guessed to be true based on your experienced and how you like to explain it -- fine -- just ignore what I write. You don't have to attack me for what I say. There are many other fishermen who are eager to know more based on scientific facts, instead of personal opinion. What I post is for them, if not for you.
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Post by Flatsrunner on Feb 16, 2023 19:03:23 GMT -5
you may be right on your scientific assumptions but I personally never met a fish with a degree of any sort, only ones that thrive on the own without human interference, I personally like experience with a touch of scientific data. If you want to serve your intellectual Ice cream, I personally prefer mine with a sweet topping instead of the abrasive toppings you seem to offer. Kind of makes it hard to swallow.
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Post by fishka on Feb 16, 2023 20:47:21 GMT -5
Went out today on the SSP at about 2PM and caught 2 spanish mackerel. Nothing crazy but glad to see they’re slowly coming in.
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Post by maksandjacks on Feb 16, 2023 20:56:48 GMT -5
Went out today on the SSP at about 2PM and caught 2 spanish mackerel. Nothing crazy but glad to see they’re slowly coming in. Going Tomorrow Right before sunrise would be happy to just not get skunked but hopefully will get some maks🙏 if any one else is going to the ssp would love to learn more about the fishery
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Post by fishsci on Feb 16, 2023 21:22:45 GMT -5
you may be right on your scientific assumptions but I personally never met a fish with a degree of any sort, only ones that thrive on the own without human interference, I personally like experience with a touch of scientific data. If you want to serve your intellectual Ice cream, I personally prefer mine with a sweet topping instead of the abrasive toppings you seem to offer. Kind of makes it hard to swallow. Well, I accept your at least reasonable response. Please feel free to tell me how i could better help fishermen be aware of existing scientific facts, without being abrasive. I do not intend to be abrasive toward anyone, but there seems to be times that misinformation has to be directly confronted -- especially where it comes from those who frequently are unwilling to at least admit that what they say is just their opinion and not admit that their opinion is not the absolute truth. Maybe some would prefer that it not be confronted? Maybe some think that this forum is just a friendly Facebook friends thing, and everybody should only say positive things about members. I do not Facebook. Again, I would take advice from you and others as to how I can help member fishermen learn scientific facts, avoid being misled...and do so without rubbing (abrasively) those who insist on continuing to claim that they know what happens -- and more importantly why -- just because it has happened to them.
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