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Post by Look'n4Tuna on Jan 23, 2009 23:44:49 GMT -5
OK.. So I'll start by saying that I've never used braid before. That being said, I haven't a clue what I'm doing. I had to make a trip to the tackle shop to get a new handle for my Baitrunner 4500B since I had it sitting too close to the garage door when I put the door down (ouch) and it snapped the handle right off. So while I was there, I brought in my Daiwa SS Tourney to have some 20lb PP braid put on it. The guy said he doesn't carry PP anymore because he feels that Spiderwire Stealth is a better line, so I told hime to throw it on.
I already had some mono on the spool, he says to me "I'll have to take some of this off. Said that you always leave a mono backer on the spool, and you always use a mono leader. So he ended up putting 125 yds of 20lb red stealth on my reel which filled it perfectly after he took a bit of mono off.
Guess my question is, if I'm using braid to elimiate stretch... why am I putting a mono leader? And... was this guy right about the mono backer. I wish I would have known that, I would have put on fresh mono before he started. What I had on there wasn't that old, but I would have thrown on new just to keep everything new.
I've been listening to you guys talk about the sheeps and was planning on making a run on them up here in my area. Last year I saw a guy pull three out that were huge at a little hole I fish on and off. So I figured I'd give it a shot.
Any help from the guys who "get out there and do it" would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by hbn1234 on Jan 23, 2009 23:54:03 GMT -5
hey lookn4tuna... they use mono backing to prevent the braid from slipping on the spool (can spool the entire spool with braid, but should use tape to cover the first few windings). Another reason being to save you some money. If your reel/spool can hold 300 yds of 20lb...it's kinda of a waste since you'll probably only being using the first 100/150 yards of braid. When you change out your line, you still have that 'unused' 150 yds or so of braid ... braid is alot more expensive than mono
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Post by doubleo on Jan 24, 2009 8:05:39 GMT -5
you use a mono or flouro leader to prevent the fish from seeing your line...sometimes just dropping from say 25lb mono or flouro to 20 will help you get more strikes
i prefer flouro for leader mostly for it's abrasion resistance
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Post by havetofish on Jan 24, 2009 11:39:03 GMT -5
Tuna, Using a few feet of mono or flouro leader is not the same as having 100 yds of mono stretching.
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Post by diggin4grouper on Jan 24, 2009 12:01:48 GMT -5
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Post by jmfishin on Jan 24, 2009 12:36:42 GMT -5
u use mono or flouro leader so the fish dont see the line. thats y lighter leader gets more bites
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Post by inshorebasher on Jan 24, 2009 14:14:53 GMT -5
i also like to rotate my braid after a while of usage and that way the back part that never gets exposed to the everyday elements of fishing can be used and still have that fresh new color.
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Post by grouperscooper on Jan 24, 2009 16:42:48 GMT -5
Looks like every one covered ya pretty good Tuna! Even doubleo provided you with some good advice....but of course some had to throw in there...and i quote...that the man was WRONG. I was curious how is it that the man is wrong?? Try and get some of them boneheads with straight braid.You ain't gotta worry about no shock cause they ain't gonna touch the bait! And do those guys makin all dat $$$$$ in big bass turney's really use that peice of fluro for sight or shock!Come on. Bonefish......8 inches of gin..oops,i mean crystal clear water.no mono or fluro,no bite. sounds like sight comes into play before any shock resistance is even needed. Don't sound like da man is wrong to me. And i am not saying that anyone was wrong with the info they provided either.But to come out and say that someone is with out really being able to justify that he is....dumb move dude.. This is the simple bullsh#$ that makes it to where people don't post on these forums.This forum needs new anglers.It gets kinda slow from time to time so maby we should make sure we don't make OURSELF look like a dee-da-dee Post what ya know there doubleo.....hell post what ya don't know,some one on here can fix ya up!!(incase ya ain't noticed)
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Post by SkyJay on Jan 24, 2009 18:26:23 GMT -5
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Post by rayswin on Jan 24, 2009 21:04:07 GMT -5
doubleo you are right on about the leader, you won't get too many bites from the monsters if ur not using good flourocarbon leader. shock resistance LOL. Gotta get the bite before any of this "shock resistance" comes into play. Gl doubleo
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Post by Look'n4Tuna on Jan 24, 2009 21:18:53 GMT -5
Well as I said, I know SQUAT about braid, that's why I ask. That's why I'm here... to learn and help if I can. I come here often and enjoy reading everyday. I'll take all information I can get and try it and see what works. Thanks to all of you who give info to try and help others have a better fishing experience. Well if that didn't sound corney..... Thanks a bunch !!! I even enjoy watching Jay eat his popcorn!!! Tight lines and full nets
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Post by diggin4grouper on Jan 24, 2009 21:44:55 GMT -5
Looks like every one covered ya pretty good Tuna! Even doubleo provided you with some good advice....but of course some had to throw in there...and i quote...that the man was WRONG. I was curious how is it that the man is wrong?? Try and get some of them boneheads with straight braid.You ain't gotta worry about no shock cause they ain't gonna touch the bait! And do those guys makin all dat $$$$$ in big bass turney's really use that peice of fluro for sight or shock!Come on. Bonefish......8 inches of gin..oops,i mean crystal clear water.no mono or fluro,no bite. sounds like sight comes into play before any shock resistance is even needed. Don't sound like da man is wrong to me. And i am not saying that anyone was wrong with the info they provided either.But to come out and say that someone is with out really being able to justify that he is....dumb move dude.. This is the simple bullsh#$ that makes it to where people don't post on these forums.This forum needs new anglers.It gets kinda slow from time to time so maby we should make sure we don't make OURSELF look like a dee-da-dee Post what ya know there doubleo.....hell post what ya don't know,some one on here can fix ya up!!(incase ya ain't noticed) oh grouperscooper with braided line since there is no strech in the line if you set the hook like you do with mono your going to break it off as soon as you try it . yes braid is good for the sheer power the line has but if you try to tie it straight to a lure or a hook your going to lose a fish plain and simple .... how do i know this ? from useing braid for the past 8 years and when i frist started useing it i didnt know any better and tied right on to the braid and was loseing fish becouse of it . when the hook was set it stayed the 3 or 4 secs then gone . now go and talk with some of the pros and find out why they have that leader on there better yet go to boca grand and ask the tarpon guys there . most fish dont give a crap about line color there more interested in whats on the hook they can eat .. now useing a leader on braid reduces the stress of the braid so that its not a dircet impact on the line its self .... what proof i use steath hi viz yellow braided line with a 30lb floro leader heres my proof oh and wonder why this guy told me the same stuff im telling you now .... and if you dont know who it is rick murphy standing there with my mother a year ago while on tour of mavrick boats now the shut up or put up is in your corner grouperscooper probably dont even use braid do ya .....
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Post by inshorebasher on Jan 25, 2009 1:27:03 GMT -5
hey teddy you're wrong about fish not giving a squat about line color. they do mind and it does matter! because if the strech was the issue than any "GOOD/PRO" angler wouldn't need any MONO for that matter and just play the fish via "DRAG". now i admit i caught my fare share if fish on staright braid but then again they were bass and mudfish caught with live bait or lures and moss green line in fresh water doesn't stand out that much either.
just my $.02 and i've fished w/ rich aka grouperscooper and he does fish braid and quite successfully to boot! lets all get out and fish mono or braid.......u say potatoe i say poe-ta-toe point is fish how u like to and be open to try new things.......if you don't like it, go back to what works right? okay time to get some sleep gotta be up in a lil' bit and i pushed the time back to uhh 6am lol
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Post by SkyJay on Jan 25, 2009 9:26:51 GMT -5
Species, location, water clarity, light conditions all play a very important role, in determining the type and strength of a leader, one should use. Some type of leader should Always be used when fishing with braided line however. The added stretch or forgiveness Will help to cut down on missed fish at hook set. The decreased visibility will increase the number of bites on Spooky species, in clear water conditions. Although monofailment will work, most Anglers prefer Fluorocarbon because of lower visibility, and higher abrasion resistance. You are both right. Now shake hands, and go fish. Nice Redfish Teddy. Comb your hair. LOL ;D
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Post by doubleo on Jan 25, 2009 16:27:06 GMT -5
doubleo you are right on about the leader, you won't get too many bites from the monsters if ur not using good flourocarbon leader. shock resistance LOL. Gotta get the bite before any of this "shock resistance" comes into play. Gl doubleo exactly! and whomever says braid will break on a hook set when tied directly to a lure can't tie for crap...the Palomar Knot is the strongest knot for any line...yes i said any line i have NEVER not once had a knot failure with braid when i tie directly to a lure or hook ( i don't use leader when bass fishing...never have and i have fished a lot of tournys and caught thousands and thousands of bass)...i've been using Braid for 15+ years tied directly to the lure I actually broke a $300 G-Loomis Casting rod setting the hook on a bass...amazingly the line didn't break and i still put the fish in the live well...that was a good tourny i placed 2nd and got a free rod from G-Loomis a few weeks later Here is some more for ya...last year when i was snook fishing with my buddy while he couldn't hook up i was slaying them everywhere...we used the same baits and rigs BUT i was using 25lb flouro and he was using 40lb flouro....it makes a difference!
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Post by grouperscooper on Jan 25, 2009 20:52:03 GMT -5
Dude,it ain't about all this info on braid,floro,stretch.this...that there isn't any thing in this thread that i am not already aware of. It's about flat out calling someone wrong when in actuality they are not......his post was just as correct as yours Teddy,and every one else that posted. disrespect is disrespect,rude is rude........ To flat out say the man was wrong because of what you feel the intentions of using mono,floro are was rude and disrespectful. And your pics don't really mean squat to Rich,you are obviously more impressed by them than i.And no,never heard of this Rick Murphy you have proudly posted on the internet... ,silly me.But i'll just about assure you as long as you keep his pockets happy he'll keep tellin ya what you need to know...... Put up or shut up is in my corner....get a life dude.
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Post by grouperscooper on Jan 25, 2009 21:04:25 GMT -5
doubleo YOU ARE WRONG!!!! Oops...did i say that? But about some thing you did say in your second post.About braid breakin when the hook is set,bad knot?Wouldn't ya think that the way you set the hook is just as critical as a good knot?Just how i look at it.you could tie a crappy knot that might not pull until under full load,but thats just your odds on a crappy knot.Set that hook right and you might still get one to the boat. Ahh screw it....probably wrong anyhoo
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Post by eaglesfanguy on Jan 26, 2009 3:25:49 GMT -5
Damn Jay... Tell me how ya Really feel! This simple thread has definately hit the toilet... Cant we all just fish along!.. I might just add a bit of... referrence.. Teddy.. You got pics.. bro.. but we dunno if your using mono, braid, or a combo. Heck you might be holding other peoples fish .. who knows.. And with your commercial background... hmmmmmmm possibly caught in a net?.. and you went to great lengths to make it look like its a pier caught fish..lol you just never know. people do go through great obsticles to make it look like there that good. So your proof.. just falls to Hearsay.. Next time ya wanna go all out about your point.. maybe provide better evidence........ Just my observing opinion...
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Post by Look'n4Tuna on Jan 26, 2009 6:42:51 GMT -5
Dang.... I didn't mean to start all this.... Just trying to get some reliable info from some fishing pardners.
Well I hope when the sun comes up, we can all just get along and concentrate on catching that monster (or convict as the threads have been leaning).
Chris
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Post by inshorebasher on Jan 26, 2009 12:27:46 GMT -5
All these fish were caught on braided line and all the saltwater fish had mono or flouro carbo leader! All the fresh water fish were caught on straight braid no mono! LOL Stephen is this good nuff for a field report to make it seem like i perhaps caught them from a different location j/k pissin' on your fire man. PS all the grouper were short and released unharmed, all the fresh water fish were released and unharmed (i don't eat freshwater fish when i have salt water fish in the freezer). Enjoy
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Post by inshorebasher on Jan 26, 2009 12:32:22 GMT -5
u gotta click on the pic to click another pic to click the pic again to zoom to see the bigger picture. dammit i can't get this pic posting for nothing. one day on one day off. oh well u get the point!
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Post by jab on Jan 26, 2009 17:24:03 GMT -5
jerry springer.
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Post by grouperscooper on Jan 26, 2009 21:00:33 GMT -5
Sorry there Tuna for gettin your thread off track,was just somethin that struck a nerve is all.It sure does have a domino affect though huh?My bad. But did want to add one thing for you,since you say braid is new for you. You said you got 20# correct?Well your probably fishin with around between 30-35 pd line.You can probably find a chart on line giving you actual specs on the line you purchased but i can garantee ya it's atleast 10-15 pds more than what the spool actually says.For a beginner to braid this could do damage to your gear.Stick with it and figure the ins and outs of it,might love the stuff,might hate it.Like i said,sorry about the dramma,we all got our quirks i guess huh? Jerry Springer!! Thanks for straightin me out there jab......
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Post by goindeep on Jan 26, 2009 22:18:15 GMT -5
Ok let's all play nice so I don't have to prune this thread -- there is some good info in it.
I myself am new to braid as well. I put 50pp on my 4500 baitrunner, so far so good. I still have knot issues, but since I've been using only the palomar knot (for swivel to braid, and swivel to leader) I haven't lost any fish to anything but piling wrappings. I don't think I've ripped any lips....not yet anyway. Lol
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Post by pascosal on Jan 27, 2009 0:27:06 GMT -5
i have been using braid since PP came out and i have not had any issues, however i was not aware of the difference in the leader though, i am one for hating to tie nots i am a swivel use kinda guy and barrels when i make my leaders, so far to date i havent had a failure due to a bad crimp, the artheritis gives me hell when tring to tie knots
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Post by inshorebasher on Jan 27, 2009 3:11:21 GMT -5
lmao! this is my knot and it works but disclaimer is up to a point the tighter the knot gets the more it will cut into the line and possibly weaken it to a breaking point. i haven't had to many issues with this but it does and can happen. dunno the name of it i just know its good and the tag sticks up so your line won't helicopter on the way down or up causing line twist espically when offshore. oh plz don't play duck hunt (lol thats what the preview shows next to it)
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Post by Look'n4Tuna on Jan 27, 2009 21:02:44 GMT -5
Well I threw a 10lb Vanish Flouro leader on my braid setup with a mirrorlure and stopped on the way home to see how she cast. It casts real nice, further than straight mono. It's amazing how much more you can feel. Pretty cool.. I might actually like this braid thing!!
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Post by filletnrelease on Jan 28, 2009 6:22:03 GMT -5
For cast ability and sensitivity it can't be beat, throw in no stretch for those bigger fish in the rocks and it's win, win ,win. JMHO
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Post by doubleo on Jan 28, 2009 13:54:42 GMT -5
rock on tuna!!! rock on
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Post by tarponfishnut on Jan 28, 2009 18:37:25 GMT -5
First of all......... InshoreBasher, nice video of , next time try pointing the camera down a bit, or have someone else controlling the cam!! LOL About all we really get to see is the end when the knot is done! LOL (don't get peeved!) Thanks anyhow. 2nd: I am new to braid also. I have an 8' Med./Hvy. rod with a Quantum reel with 60# braid and a new Lght./Med. 7' Ugly stick combo with what I think is 20# braid. Both were gifts. I've used the big one a few times and I can cast it a mile, but havent had a chance to use the lighter one yet. My problem are the tangles!! Especially when trying to cast & work a lure. With bait, I'm ok, mostly. Any advice for that?
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