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Post by fishfinderbill on May 27, 2023 14:50:18 GMT -5
Where's The Fish? I've been fishing SSP for the last couple of years, to little or no avail. So last week I made the Big Change to Ft. Desoto. Eventho I saw more activity than I had in months, still VERY few people took anything home. Now that the daytime heat will be higher then and old man can stand, I think I'll take a few month hiatus. Hopefully when I come back in the fall, things and fish will be jumping again.
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Jun 9, 2023 13:06:08 GMT -5
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Post by calcolater on Jun 9, 2023 13:06:08 GMT -5
Where's The Fish? I've been fishing SSP for the last couple of years, to little or no avail. So last week I made the Big Change to Ft. Desoto. Eventho I saw more activity than I had in months, still VERY few people took anything home. Now that the daytime heat will be higher then and old man can stand, I think I'll take a few month hiatus. Hopefully when I come back in the fall, things and fish will be jumping again. Late as hell of a reply. Last few weeks have been hell for me as well. Not much getting caught in general.
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Jun 9, 2023 21:52:23 GMT -5
Post by fishsci on Jun 9, 2023 21:52:23 GMT -5
I claim no real evidence or factual information, but it does appear that over many months, almost a year, there has been an obvious decline in fish catch in many places from Sarasota Bay, Tampa Bay, and maybe as far as Tarpon Springs.
That has been my experience, and I previously posted a comment asking others to reply if they too had notices declines in other places that they fish -- not just at the Skyway piers. However, my request for experiences of others resulted in almost no replies. So, I will try to ask for that again.
It does seem that there has been a major collapse of inshore fish poplulations in the area. It is hard to come up with an explanation for what might have caused that. If it is true, the most likely explanations are red tides, Piney Point spill, and maybe even climate change -- all happening together for the first time and reaching something of a "tipping point" at which all those effects negatively work together to result in negative effects that together the whole is greater than the sum if its parts.
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Jun 9, 2023 22:15:54 GMT -5
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Post by shot33gun9 on Jun 9, 2023 22:15:54 GMT -5
Just speculation, and interesting
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Jun 10, 2023 17:29:23 GMT -5
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Post by carlf on Jun 10, 2023 17:29:23 GMT -5
Last summer I did really well around the Gandy for macs and snapper. Even caught keeper lanes and sea bass. Only been out once this year and did not do well but it was a rough morning with a northeast wind. Not good conditions.
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Jun 12, 2023 8:50:58 GMT -5
Post by silverspoon on Jun 12, 2023 8:50:58 GMT -5
I claim no real evidence or factual information, but it does appear that over many months, almost a year, there has been an obvious decline in fish catch in many places from Sarasota Bay, Tampa Bay, and maybe as far as Tarpon Springs. That has been my experience, and I previously posted a comment asking others to reply if they too had notices declines in other places that they fish -- not just at the Skyway piers. However, my request for experiences of others resulted in almost no replies. So, I will try to ask for that again. It does seem that there has been a major collapse of inshore fish poplulations in the area. It is hard to come up with an explanation for what might have caused that. If it is true, the most likely explanations are red tides, Piney Point spill, and maybe even climate change -- all happening together for the first time and reaching something of a "tipping point" at which all those effects negatively work together to result in negative effects that together the whole is greater than the sum if its parts. I think you hit the head on the nail! I was thinking the obvious red tides but also natural global warning, as well as man-made contributions towards warming. I hope there is still some oscillation on the tipping point and we go back to some good fishing in the coming years but it seems science is pointing to steady long-term degradation of the environment. Read an article about how just the slightest rise in average water temperature can have big impacts on life in the sea by disrupting natural reproduction which in turn causes a chain of events leading to collapse of food chain. In the big picture of things, geological time that is, it is normal for the Earth to cycle between periods of colder and warmer climate, remember the ice ages? And through the changes wide scale extinctions follow. Geology shows us that sea level has been much higher than what we see today, that's why there are escarpments across Florida, you can see them as you drive towards Orlando from Tampa - ridges where the sea's waves used to wash onto old shorelines long ago. Sea level has also been much lower as evidence of native American camp sites are documented under gulf waters many miles offshore.
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Post by Flatsrunner on Jun 12, 2023 12:05:46 GMT -5
So True, Parts of the coastal south Florida (Miami area now flood with spring tide,) In the 70's I worked down there and it wasn't uncommon to see evidence of flooding in crawl spaces and basement had to have sump pumps. Now it's a regular occurrence to see flooding. The only good thing was a lot of places were built on coral rock and drained quickly. I've dug around my own house away from any construction and found parts of ocean shells 70 miles from water. Times and people change their environment.
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Post by tears143 on Jun 12, 2023 14:59:27 GMT -5
One of the reason why Alaska lost it king crab season. They like colder water, so the crab travels north more. The scientists do the count on warm water(usual hunting ground)
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Post by carlf on Jun 13, 2023 6:44:32 GMT -5
Plant and Fish populations are definitely changing, with "southern" species moving north: About 10 years ago, permit started showing up along the beaches every summer in Pensacola, Orange Beach and Gulf Shores. Every now and then, a snook is caught in the area now too. Black Mangroves are now well established in south Louisiana and even show up on the Mississippi Barrier Islands. Blackbellied Whistling ducks are breeding and wintering farther north every year. And other ducks species are no longer coming as far south in the winter as they used to.
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Post by Flatsrunner on Jun 13, 2023 9:19:42 GMT -5
We have a decent population here in the surrounding neighborhoods of Black bellied whistling Ducks, I've seen 50 at least around some of these private ponds, don't know what there range is or was.
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Post by carlf on Jun 13, 2023 11:00:13 GMT -5
Blackbellies have been in south Florida and south Texas for years, going back to at least the 50s. Bit change is that they are now breeding in the FL Panhandle, and coastal AL, MS, and LA. And they've moved up the east coast, with some breeding pairs in South Carolina, and seem to be moving into coastal North Carolina too.
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Post by silverspoon on Jun 14, 2023 9:54:22 GMT -5
So refreshing to not hear denials of the obvious evidence. People get lost in the concept and only hear the Earth is warming because of human pollution. I try to remind/inform people how the Earth naturally behaves, regardless of human contributions to the warming the Earth naturally warms and cools in cycles. Maybe humans are making it worse, maybe we're not? The point is this is what the Earth does, time and time again, and it won't stop because we want it to. Some scientists believe it is caused by a micro-wobble of the Earth's axis which cycles every several hundred thousand years, give or take, changing the angle of the Earth's surface to the sun's light. The angle makes all the difference and is what creates the seasons.
It's hard to perceive geologic time in a human eye. We last the time of a blink of an eye, how are we going to see the changes occurring before us other than as incremental changes, but we can see them if we open our minds. Nothing is permanent. The only thing that is constant is change. Come what may remember to ride the wave of life and be a good person, even if nobody is looking! The greatest purpose of life is to help others.
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Jun 14, 2023 17:01:04 GMT -5
Post by carlf on Jun 14, 2023 17:01:04 GMT -5
Its good to be open minded about many things, but the science and data is overwhelming that current increases in global atmospheric CO2 levels and resulting rapid rise in global temperatures is directly tied to human use of fossil fuels, both via burning and methane emissions. The fossil fuel industry came that to conclusion on their own back in the late 1980s.
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Jun 14, 2023 20:43:21 GMT -5
Post by fishsci on Jun 14, 2023 20:43:21 GMT -5
Silverspoon's post stated some good values. He said "The greatest purpose of life is to help others". However, promoting concepts that are not true -- such as the Earth changes at its own, independently of what humans do to it -- has the potential to not help others, but instead to hurt others, by potentially making some not help others by telling some that there is no reason for them supporting doing what is best for the earth and its climate. I doubt Silverspoon would want his words to hurt others.
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Post by kingmackerelman on Jun 15, 2023 7:45:08 GMT -5
THIS FORUM IS ABOUT FIHSING NOT POLITICS!!!!!
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Post by stuckintherocks on Jun 15, 2023 8:48:59 GMT -5
This forum is a dying and lawless land, with very little activity, moderators and original posters have long since forgotten this place, if people want to talk politics I think let them be and go read another post. I actually think it’s nice to see interaction on a forum that is typically so dead.
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Post by silverspoon on Jun 15, 2023 11:19:54 GMT -5
To kingmackerelman's point, I apologize for drifting on the topic of why fishing has been so bad recently, it was intended to relate to fishing. My intention was to push politics aside and keep focus on science - geology specifically - to explain and discuss why fishing may be getting worse or disrupted from past years. Regardless of cause (political/pollution or natural), there's a light at the end of the tunnel and I think it's a train.
Like clock work fishci twists what is said, criticizing me for "promoting concepts that are not true -- such as the Earth changes at its own, independently of what humans do to it..." The Earth does in fact change on its own, independent of what humans do. Mountains rise, land erodes, seasons change, and of course sea level rises and falls related to ice ages coming and going (been 5 or 6 ice ages depending who you ask), all due to natural processes of the Earth alone - humans were not around to effect the natural cycles until just recently (in geologic time).
I did not say humans don't have an effect on the rate of change, I was making the point that regardless of the source (human or natural) we are in for sea level rise due to Earth's temperature rising, so accept it is happening, which in turn will likely screw up the fishing for us all - back to kingmackerelman's point.
To stuckintherocks, LOL!
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Post by silverspoon on Jun 15, 2023 11:24:57 GMT -5
I do believe humans are making the problem worse, it is unfortunately our nature.
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Jun 15, 2023 13:37:20 GMT -5
Post by fishsci on Jun 15, 2023 13:37:20 GMT -5
Nice thoughtful discussion...except for kingmackerelman's. The discussion is not about politics...it is about climate, nature and the possible and likely impacts on fish and fishing.
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Post by havetofish on Jun 15, 2023 15:42:16 GMT -5
This forum is a dying and lawless land, with very little activity, moderators and original posters have long since forgotten this place, if people want to talk politics I think let them be and go read another post. I actually think it’s nice to see interaction on a forum that is typically so dead. Agree that the forum is not what it used to be, but as the scrolling banner says no religion or politics. I don't post anymore because I don't fish anymore due to health issues and don't have much to contribute. Fishing at the Skyway is different than it use to be. But I'm still around to keep the forum up and running.
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Jun 15, 2023 15:55:24 GMT -5
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Post by stuckintherocks on Jun 15, 2023 15:55:24 GMT -5
Haha I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to promote going against the rules, I didn’t post years ago but have always followed and learned from these forums, I just felt like it was nice seeing an uptick in activity on here lately
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Post by carlf on Jun 15, 2023 20:24:03 GMT -5
Climate changes are impacting our fishing, nothing political about it. It's simply science. I wish I did more fishing and had more to report.
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Jun 16, 2023 0:51:53 GMT -5
Post by tesseract on Jun 16, 2023 0:51:53 GMT -5
Spinner sharks
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