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Post by dls0680 on Jan 27, 2017 21:30:12 GMT -5
I have a 15-30 size rod for a conventional reel so I was thinking about putting the new Penn Warfare or a Squall on it. I am not sure if I should get the 20 size reel or the 30 size reel for the pier? I am also not sure what type of line and what pound line? I have my spinning setups that I use 20lb braid on but this one I want to use to try to use to see if I can go for a little larger fish.
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Post by havetofish on Jan 27, 2017 21:48:37 GMT -5
A little larger fish is pretty vague..its all relative. But, if you mean something like Grouper, Kings or Cobia then you should be looking at something with more drag. Presuming the rod can handle it, about 20 lb should do it. I would also use about min 50 lb braid.
Hope that helps.
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Post by Mackerelman on Jan 27, 2017 21:49:07 GMT -5
Personally I would not Use anything less than 40lb. Fluorocarbon Leader or 60lb. Braid Line on a Conventional Reel.
I use 60lb. Monofilament Line on My Conventional Reels with a 40 lb. Fluorocarbon Leader.
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Post by dls0680 on Jan 27, 2017 22:14:59 GMT -5
Thank you both for your responses. Yes those are the exact type of fish that I would like the rod to be able to handle. I am not sure weather to go with Braid or Florocarbon or both? I was thinking about going with about 100yrds of fluorocarbon and 200yrds of braid on top of that?
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Post by dls0680 on Jan 27, 2017 22:17:30 GMT -5
Something mono would not be good? Like 50-60lb Pline ?
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Post by Mackerelman on Jan 27, 2017 22:17:39 GMT -5
Thank you both for your responses. Yes those are the exact type of fish that I would like the rod to be able to handle. I am not sure weather to go with Braid or Florocarbon or both? I was thinking about going with about 100yrds of fluorocarbon and 200yrds of braid on top of that? That should work. What Fish do You want to target ? That is a Key Question. |
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Post by havetofish on Jan 27, 2017 22:19:43 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with a mono backing and then braid, swivel and then Floro leader. My reason for braid is for Skyway grouper, cause of the no stretch. You can't give them an inch or you'll get rocked.
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Post by Mackerelman on Jan 27, 2017 22:20:13 GMT -5
Something mono would not be good? Like 50-60lb Pline ? Mono is what I Use. I corrected My Post above. Thank You for the Question. |
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Post by Mackerelman on Jan 27, 2017 22:22:13 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with a mono backing and then braid, swivel and then Floro leader. My reason for braid is for Skyway grouper, cause of the no stretch. You can't give them an inch or you'll get rocked. Isn't that the Whole Truth. Many times I have gotten rocked because of My Line on the Concrete & Steel dumped out there. |
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Post by dls0680 on Jan 27, 2017 22:23:31 GMT -5
That is my goal this year to catch a grouper from the pier. I have yet to hook one and run backward to keep from getting rocked like I have seen a few people do. Thank you very much for your help.
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Post by Mackerelman on Jan 27, 2017 22:26:20 GMT -5
That is my goal this year to catch a grouper from the pier. I have yet to hook one and run backward to keep from getting rocked like I have seen a few people do. Thank you very much for your help. Not to bust Your Bubble but the Grouper are not as Plentiful as it was 20 plus years ago but You can still find them time to time. |
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Post by havetofish on Jan 27, 2017 22:27:55 GMT -5
That is my goal this year to catch a grouper from the pier. I have yet to hook one and run backward to keep from getting rocked like I have seen a few people do. Thank you very much for your help. I have yet to run backward on one, afraid I'll get run over. Hold your rod and locked down the drag. If he takes drag its usually to late. |
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Post by Mackerelman on Jan 27, 2017 22:30:26 GMT -5
Now when the Kings come through, You may want to up Your Leader Size.
I got cut off by one last year using 60lb. Leader.
They do have some Huge & Sharp Teeth.
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Post by tristan on Jan 28, 2017 1:19:21 GMT -5
What's the ETA of the Kings, MM?
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Post by eaglesfanguy on Jan 28, 2017 2:36:46 GMT -5
Did i read this right? Your gonna put Flourocarbon as a backing and then braided line?
First off use regular mono for backing, then maybe 5 ft of flrourcarbon leader. I go about 10 wraps on the spool of good but plain jane mono for backing then pack as much braid as i can on the rest of the spool 65lb P.P has never failed, i prefer the green.
Then i tie about 5 ft of Yozuri pink fluro 50 lb for leader, Tie an FG knot, or uni to double uni knot.
300 yds is more then enough line so chose a reel of that specifics. your fishing in 20 ft for the most part, most spots more shallow. Grouper you gotta get up and out fast , everything but kings will not take line.. well maybe a False albecore... but still maybe 40 yards at best.
Trick to gags is yank crank and chill. The 20 series reel will do just fine . Most of your catching will be within 20 ft of the pier. so lock down and swing over..
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Post by eaglesfanguy on Jan 28, 2017 2:42:03 GMT -5
When i go to the skyway and fish its with a penn Fierce 4000 , 10 lb braid 30 lb flouro, and never get broke off . Matched rod.. Big gear is for offshore where skyjay shows off his bragging fish ..lol
Love ya bro.. But yea 20 yd 20 lb test mono 250 yds 30 lb braid and 5 ft 30 lb floro leader you will kill anything on the pier
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Post by Mackerelman on Jan 28, 2017 9:17:37 GMT -5
What's the ETA of the Kings, MM? The Kings in the Past 10 - 15 Years have been coning in about the End of March to the End of April. It's all about the Water Temperature. We are having a Warm Winter again this Year so I would Predict what I am saying. Years in which We have a Cool Winter they Come back about a Month or so Later. It's also like the Macks. The Macks usually come back at the End of February or Early March but We had a Warm Winter & the Water did not Cool Down. People like "Thereheis" is already catching them. I heard a Report the other day, that the Macks were at about 18" to 20" range. The Larger ones still have not came through as of Yet. Once this Cool Weather Passes, it will be Time to get out there & start throwing the Lead at them. The Kings will then Follow. |
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Post by YodaFisherman on Jan 28, 2017 10:23:46 GMT -5
I have always used one of my 12' surf rods with a Squall 30 lever drag. Loaded with 25lb mono and 60lb. fluorocarbon leader.
I've landed some nice grouper but I have also been rocked. Members of this board have convinced me that the line isn't strong enough. I always thought, why use line stronger than the max drag of the reel? Well the experienced grouper anglers I've talk with seem to use thier reel with the drag locked.
Since I don't want to have heavier line on my surf rod, I plan on getting another reel to load with a mono base and braid on top. Not sure if I'll get a size 30 or 45. The 45 has more drag but holds a lot more line.
I tried braid in the surf for a bit, but never again on my conventionals if you fluff a cast the knot is a disaster.
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Post by Mackerelman on Jan 28, 2017 12:10:48 GMT -5
When Fishing for Grouper at the Skyway, I use a Lesser Pound Leader(40lb. in My Case) than My Line(60 lb. in My Case) on My Conventional Reel so that if I get Rocked, the Leader will Break First & Not the Line. That way all I have to replace is the Leader & Hook. Also a lot of Fish will Bite the Hooked Bait More Often on a Lesser Pound Leader from My Experience. |
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Post by tristan on Jan 28, 2017 20:51:40 GMT -5
I have always used one of my 12' surf rods with a Squall 30 lever drag. Loaded with 25lb mono and 60lb. fluorocarbon leader. I've landed some nice grouper but I have also been rocked. Members of this board have convinced me that the line isn't strong enough. I always thought, why use line stronger than the max drag of the reel? Well the experienced grouper anglers I've talk with seem to use thier reel with the drag locked. Since I don't want to have heavier line on my surf rod, I plan on getting another reel to load with a mono base and braid on top. Not sure if I'll get a size 30 or 45. The 45 has more drag but holds a lot more line. I tried braid in the surf for a bit, but never again on my conventionals if you fluff a cast the knot is a disaster. I've used up to a 11' surf rod on the pier myself. However, one thing to consider is the longer the fishing rod, the more leverage the fish has against you... A fishing rod is just another type of lever. This year, I'm sticking to 7', 8' maximum when targeting grouper. |
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Post by YodaFisherman on Jan 28, 2017 21:27:46 GMT -5
I have always used one of my 12' surf rods with a Squall 30 lever drag. Loaded with 25lb mono and 60lb. fluorocarbon leader. I've landed some nice grouper but I have also been rocked. Members of this board have convinced me that the line isn't strong enough. I always thought, why use line stronger than the max drag of the reel? Well the experienced grouper anglers I've talk with seem to use thier reel with the drag locked. Since I don't want to have heavier line on my surf rod, I plan on getting another reel to load with a mono base and braid on top. Not sure if I'll get a size 30 or 45. The 45 has more drag but holds a lot more line. I tried braid in the surf for a bit, but never again on my conventionals if you fluff a cast the knot is a disaster. .....However, one thing to consider is the longer the fishing rod, the more leverage the fish has against you... A fishing rod is just another type of lever. Not sure I agree with you on that one. I studied physics in college and understand Archimedes and his law of the Lever, but your analogy would indicate that the best method would be to use no rod at all. I've hooked a few grouper on boat rods from the Skyway and comparing that to the ones I've caught with the surf rod I feel I'm better equipped to control, steer and fight the fish with the surf rod. |
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Post by Mackerelman on Jan 28, 2017 22:09:26 GMT -5
That is my goal this year to catch a grouper from the pier. I have yet to hook one and run backward to keep from getting rocked like I have seen a few people do. Thank you very much for your help. I have yet to run backward on one, afraid I'll get run over. Hold your rod and locked down the drag. If he takes drag its usually to late. Isn't that the Truth. 
I hate the Ones that Run Under a Boat.
You never know where they are going to go.
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Post by tristan on Jan 29, 2017 2:00:37 GMT -5
.....However, one thing to consider is the longer the fishing rod, the more leverage the fish has against you... A fishing rod is just another type of lever. Not sure I agree with you on that one. I studied physics in college and understand Archimedes and his law of the Lever, but your analogy would indicate that the best method would be to use no rod at all. I've hooked a few grouper on boat rods from the Skyway and comparing that to the ones I've caught with the surf rod I feel I'm better equipped to control, steer and fight the fish with the surf rod. Whatever works for you, my friend. |
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Post by tears143 on Jan 29, 2017 14:00:25 GMT -5
Not sure I agree with you on that one. I studied physics in college and understand Archimedes and his law of the Lever, but your analogy would indicate that the best method would be to use no rod at all. I've hooked a few grouper on boat rods from the Skyway and comparing that to the ones I've caught with the surf rod I feel I'm better equipped to control, steer and fight the fish with the surf rod. Whatever works for you, my friend. Tristan is probably talking about the flex on the rod because it's longer.. while yoda is talking about the angle of pulling the fish out of the rock. As for grouper fishing, if you have a long boomstick that would be best. the long rod give a better angle, and the stiff rod will not give in any flex. |
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