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Post by fishfinderbill on Mar 30, 2024 8:17:05 GMT -5
Question to those who use cast nets to catch green backs? Do you really need the dozens of baits you get? If not, why do you leave them all over the pier or dump them into a bait bucket where they will die. From a conservation stand point a Sabiki rig with a #3 hook, tipped with tiny pieces of Fish Bites, will provide all you need for a days outing. Just wondering.
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Post by inoeatfish on Mar 30, 2024 9:36:52 GMT -5
Speaking only for myself. But I do share your frustration as I see the same issue too. I’m not familiar with the data on greenback volume or abundance but imagine the numbers could be down from decades before like any other fish stock.
My friends and I catch enough bait to use and chum the water. We keep our bait alive on a 12V battery system live well. Very little bait ever dies. We also keep a backup 5 gallon with 3/4 of the bucket drilled with 1/2” holes to be kept in the water incase the battery system fails. We also bring a broom with us to sweep live and dead bait away into the ocean. We always dump our unused bait back into the ocean. Sometimes, if we are in the mood, we will clean and chill the green backs to eat at home.
We never feed the birds. If anything, those birds steal our bait when we are not looking. I’ve seen the pier crew have to clean up the bait left out after irresponsible fisherman’s leave behind and I know they aren’t very happy about doing that.
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Post by inoeatfish on Mar 30, 2024 9:44:14 GMT -5
and yes, it’s always better to be fully stock with enough bait to keep alive instead a small amount because the greenback sometimes disappear or goes deeper. Also, sometimes, the action is so fire, we run out due to cutoff, mistrikes or usually the bait falls off or get picked apart by the pin fish. I’ve had days where I thought a few dozen was good and I ran through it so fast, and when i went to look for more, I couldn’t find them anymore.
I learn to catch more than I need, keep them fully alive and return them back to the ocean when I’m done.
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Post by shot33gun9 on Mar 30, 2024 9:48:12 GMT -5
One drop with a bait net and you've got your bait...how many times will you drop a sabiki to get that same amount of bait?
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Post by cabowabo on Mar 31, 2024 8:17:40 GMT -5
One drop with a bait net and you've got your bait...how many times will you drop a sabiki to get that same amount of bait? Depends on what your fishing for, a spanish mack can gives 2 shizzz. But I would rather sabiki a live pinfish everytime if possible than choosing one out of bucket. Will run longer and hard, plus sabiki pin fish are like rattle traps for the first 5 minutes
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Post by shot33gun9 on Mar 31, 2024 9:43:29 GMT -5
Maybe my reading skills have diminished but I thought the question was about greenbacks, not pinfish
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Post by cabowabo on Mar 31, 2024 11:24:06 GMT -5
Thats your reply? Should of just owned up to the fact the point I made was correct and you agreed but you didnt. Thats okay. Your reading skills have diminished because I said yes, it dont matter for spanish
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Post by shot33gun9 on Mar 31, 2024 11:32:48 GMT -5
That's the biggest word salad I've seen today
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Post by jk2 on Mar 31, 2024 19:33:06 GMT -5
Unrelated question - How do you use greenbacks that it stays on the hook? Every time I try to put it on the hook at different places - it always gone after the cast. Any special trick?
Also, some greenbacks are quite big - are they still good candidates for spanish mack?
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Post by inoeatfish on Mar 31, 2024 20:12:38 GMT -5
Unrelated question - How do you use greenbacks that it stays on the hook? Every time I try to put it on the hook at different places - it always gone after the cast. Any special trick? Also, some greenbacks are quite big - are they still good candidates for spanish mack? I’m no expert, so take my advice with a grain of bullcrap. I hook in 3 ways. On the nose (most of the time), on the back of the neck before the dorsal fin, or below behind the tail fin. Cast gently, you’re not trying to whip the hell out of it. When you want the Big Macs in the early season like the first 2 weeks of March, bigger greenbacks but you’ll get less strikes. I usually put it on my second pole and anchor it to the pier while I fish the smaller greenbacks. But you can also cut them down to size and the Mac’s will take it too.
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Post by inoeatfish on Mar 31, 2024 20:14:47 GMT -5
Also a 4th way is under the chin and out of the mouth or top of the mouth.
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Post by fishsci on Mar 31, 2024 20:39:10 GMT -5
Thats your reply? Should of just owned up to the fact the point I made was correct and you agreed but you didnt. Thats okay. Your reading skills have diminished because I said yes, it dont matter for spanish Yes it was about thread herring, Spanish sardines, or scaled sardines (AKA greenies, sardines, or white bait). However, the principal is still pertinent. A baitfish just caught on a sabiki is much more active and attractive than one caught an hour ago and exhausted from swimming around in a bucket. How much more attractive is debatable. When the macks are thick and hittt on ever bait/cast, it might not make a difference. However, when they are not thickly abundant, a lively freshly caught bait can get a pickup much more effectively than a tired bait from the bucket or bait well.
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Post by stuckintherocks on Mar 31, 2024 20:52:53 GMT -5
I never seem to catch the smaller pilchards on sabiki? Are you guys catching the small 2-3 inch ones ?? Everytime I sabiki I end up with larger 4-6 inch baits and when using white baits I always prefer using a whole small one rather than a cut big one.
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Post by inoeatfish on Mar 31, 2024 22:07:45 GMT -5
I never seem to catch the smaller pilchards on sabiki? Are you guys catching the small 2-3 inch ones ?? Everytime I sabiki I end up with larger 4-6 inch baits and when using white baits I always prefer using a whole small one rather than a cut big one. I love those 2-3” ones. The green backs bait lately has been 3-4”. A little too big, great during early March. The Spanish sardines have been too big lately too! 6-8”
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Post by stuckintherocks on Apr 1, 2024 0:20:23 GMT -5
I just got here a little bit ago and cast netted half a dozen small ballyhoo.. very interested to see what eats em
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Post by fishtailz on Apr 1, 2024 5:41:09 GMT -5
My favorite bait for snook. Hook them through the eyes with some lead about 4 feet up. Drop it so it drifts under the bridge and hold on. Bought a stamp last week with high hopes for Tuesday night. Hopefully the ballyhoo show up. Time for a snook dinner. Curious to know how you did?
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Post by carlf on Apr 1, 2024 6:25:42 GMT -5
When I cast net up a pile of bait, I put about 2 dzn in a large bucket of water with a bubbler running. The rest go in the cooler and used, either that day or I vacuum pack and freeze when I get home. That way I always have frozen bait in the freezer to take with me just in case bait is not easy to catch.
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Post by stuckintherocks on Apr 1, 2024 8:03:29 GMT -5
My favorite bait for snook. Hook them through the eyes with some lead about 4 feet up. Drop it so it drifts under the bridge and hold on. Bought a stamp last week with high hopes for Tuesday night. Hopefully the ballyhoo show up. Time for a snook dinner. Curious to know how you did? I also thought the stars had aligned for me to get on some snook but unfortunately every single ballyhoo got gobbled up by chunky silver or speckled trout.. still fun tho
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Post by fishsci on Apr 1, 2024 17:22:01 GMT -5
I never seem to catch the smaller pilchards on sabiki? Are you guys catching the small 2-3 inch ones ?? Everytime I sabiki I end up with larger 4-6 inch baits and when using white baits I always prefer using a whole small one rather than a cut big one. This is not rocket science, but catching smaller bait is helped by using smaller sabiki hooks. Even better is to use a gold hook rig that you make using small # 8 or # 10 gold hooks. However, it is hard to find the small gold hooks these days.
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Post by tears143 on Apr 5, 2024 13:50:20 GMT -5
I never seem to catch the smaller pilchards on sabiki? Are you guys catching the small 2-3 inch ones ?? Everytime I sabiki I end up with larger 4-6 inch baits and when using white baits I always prefer using a whole small one rather than a cut big one. This is not rocket science, but catching smaller bait is helped by using smaller sabiki hooks. Even better is to use a gold hook rig that you make using small # 8 or # 10 gold hooks. However, it is hard to find the small gold hooks these days. You know where to get those hooks! all 500 of them for super cheap.
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Post by fishsci on Apr 6, 2024 9:27:01 GMT -5
This is not rocket science, but catching smaller bait is helped by using smaller sabiki hooks. Even better is to use a gold hook rig that you make using small # 8 or # 10 gold hooks. However, it is hard to find the small gold hooks these days. You know where to get those hooks! all 500 of them for super cheap. Where? What are you trying to say??? Please clarify.
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Post by Flatsrunner on Apr 6, 2024 13:05:54 GMT -5
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Post by bluerunner on Apr 6, 2024 21:21:47 GMT -5
Thats your reply? Should of just owned up to the fact the point I made was correct and you agreed but you didnt. Thats okay. Your reading skills have diminished because I said yes, it dont matter for spanish Not good at reading comprehension is ya? Topic is about cast net vs sibiki for green backs. Why you deflecting going off topic with pinfish? Who is cast netting pin fish? LMFAO.
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Post by tears143 on Apr 7, 2024 16:34:51 GMT -5
You know where to get those hooks! all 500 of them for super cheap. Where? What are you trying to say??? Please clarify. ebay. I think we went over gold hooks once.
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Post by inoeatfish on Apr 7, 2024 21:22:10 GMT -5
I bought a bunch of sabiki rigs off TEMU but I I haven’t tried them out yet. Maybe this week, I’ll bust them open and test it.
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Post by fishsci on Apr 7, 2024 21:49:38 GMT -5
I bought a bunch of sabiki rigs off TEMU but I I haven’t tried them out yet. Maybe this week, I’ll bust them open and test it. Thanks for the reply, and I only vaguely remember that we discussed gold hook availability. Back then I I did find a box of old-school Mustad gold hooks, so I am in good shape. My concern was for others who might want to find some for theirself. I checked eBay and Temu, and found nothing available that solves the problem. I thought that from your post that you had found a source. If you or anyone does know of a source, it would be helpful to others.
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Post by carlf on Apr 8, 2024 6:29:28 GMT -5
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Post by fishsci on Apr 8, 2024 10:07:35 GMT -5
Thanks for offering the information to others who might want gold hooks. However, I have some issues/comments about what you have found. First back in the day before sabikis, I and others tried using gold Aberdeen hooks, and we found them much less effective -- probably next their longer shanks make them harder for the bait fish to get them in their mouth. I too have come across gold salmon hooks that have short shanks and that would probably be effective. However, they are relatively expensive at around $0.10 or more per hook, even when bought by quantities of 100 or 500. I have found gold hooks from China, but only in assorted 10 sizes of 500 hooks. Also the Chinese so-called gold hook plating is less shiny, less golden, and the hooks start to corrode after a single use in salt water. It would be great if someone found a source of #8 and #10 Mustad or Eagle Claw beak hooks like those that we used to use for gold hook rigs.
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Post by tears143 on Apr 8, 2024 10:21:34 GMT -5
Thanks for offering the information to others who might want gold hooks. However, I have some issues/comments about what you have found. First back in the day before sabikis, I and others tried using gold Aberdeen hooks, and we found them much less effective -- probably next their longer shanks make them harder for the bait fish to get them in their mouth. I too have come across gold salmon hooks that have short shanks and that would probably be effective. However, they are relatively expensive at around $0.10 or more per hook, even when bought by quantities of 100 or 500. I have found gold hooks from China, but only in assorted 10 sizes of 500 hooks. Also the Chinese so-called gold hook plating is less shiny, less golden, and the hooks start to corrode after a single use in salt water. It would be great if someone found a source of #8 and #10 Mustad or Eagle Claw beak hooks like those that we used to use for gold hook rigs. Was talking about the Chinese gold hooks.. 500 pack of different sizes. I use those. Bigger one for pinfish and sometime snappers and smaller one for baits. It is cheap enough to toss them away from a few trip.
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