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Post by Mackerelman on Feb 5, 2023 18:44:20 GMT -5
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Post by Flatsrunner on Feb 5, 2023 19:57:46 GMT -5
That totally sucks..
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Post by seabird on Feb 5, 2023 20:11:16 GMT -5
The rule changes could happen soon. Its gonna make fishing for grouper much harder to name 1 fish species. Bad news.
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Post by Mackerelman on Feb 5, 2023 20:37:35 GMT -5
The rule changes could happen soon. Its gonna make fishing for grouper much harder to name 1 fish species. Bad news. Check out these New Regulations for Gag Grouper in State and Federal Waters: Opens Sept. 1 - Nov. 10 This is No Joke Look it up. I will Save everyone some time. Just Click on the Link Below. myfwc.com/fishing/saltwater/recreational/groupers/ |
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Post by Flatsrunner on Feb 5, 2023 21:03:54 GMT -5
4 total grouper regardless of species but I can pay a crap load of money to keep a goliath. That's not going to sit well with offshore trips,
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Post by fishfinderbill on Feb 6, 2023 12:01:30 GMT -5
Now it looks like FWC will piss off the FOD, Friends of Dolphins, for now they will have to work for their dinner instead off free pickings of pin fish from our lines.
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Post by Flatsrunner on Feb 6, 2023 12:51:15 GMT -5
Not looking forward to catching one greenie or pinfish at a time,not very productive, cant manage to throw a net off a bridge or anywhere for that matter.greenback dont seem to like pinfish traps either.
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Post by seabird on Feb 6, 2023 15:01:05 GMT -5
Not looking forward to catching one greenie or pinfish at a time,not very productive, cant manage to throw a net off a bridge or anywhere for that matter.greenback dont seem to like pinfish traps either. I don't use a net either. Not using sabiki a real disadvantage. I have seen lots of birds around a netted catch of bait. |
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Post by Flatsrunner on Feb 6, 2023 17:12:03 GMT -5
wondering if those ribbon style pilcher rings are still around around if they are legal ?
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Post by carlf on Feb 6, 2023 19:56:30 GMT -5
My understanding is that pilchard rings and ribbon rigs like we used in Alabama are considered gill nets in FL and therefore banned. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by Flatsrunner on Feb 6, 2023 21:07:54 GMT -5
My understanding is that pilchard rings and ribbon rigs like we used in Alabama are considered gill nets in FL and therefore banned. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. That's what I had heard also, that's why the bait shops in fla. stopped selling them, was looking at a old forum and the person stated that the reason they banned them is they where made from nylon gill nets which are illegal in florida,I found instructions on how to make them with #7 wire which would be similar to the one's I used to buy in s. florida.I guess it's a matter of interpretation of the law. |
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Post by fishsci on Feb 6, 2023 21:23:44 GMT -5
My understanding is that pilchard rings and ribbon rigs like we used in Alabama are considered gill nets in FL and therefore banned. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. That's what I had heard also, that's why the bait shops in fla. stopped selling them, was looking at a old forum and the person stated that the reason they banned them is they where made from nylon gill nets which are illegal in florida,I found instructions on how to make them with #7 wire which would be similar to the one's I used to buy in s. florida.I guess it's a matter of interpretation of the law. Also, know...because I have used them in the far distant past... that those rings only work for scaled sardines (aka around here as pilchards or whitebait), and they almost never work to catch Spanish sardines or round scad (aka cigar minnows) -- probably because of the slim shape of sardines and cigar minnows which usually are much better bait than pilchards/whitebait). And yes, the so-called pilchard rings were banned in the net ban since the late 80's. It is not a matter of interpretation. FWC officers will cite/fine you if found using those rings. Has anyone taken my suggestion to ask FWC to allow sabiki rigs that use only very small hooks (i.e. #8 (USA size hooks) or smaller and very light mono (i.e. 6-lb test or less)? Instead of complaining -- make that kind of constructive suggestion to FWC. It would be a good and reasonable compromise because it is likely that small hooks are unlikely to penetrate pelican feathers, and the light line could be easily broken by a pelican taking off from a perch onto which the line was tangled. Otherwise, get ready to not have good bait or spend big $ on a big, heavy cast net that might actually be more dangerous to pelicans than tiny hooks on light mono. |
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Post by fishsci on Feb 6, 2023 21:35:08 GMT -5
BTW, there were two kinds of so-called pichard rings...both are now banned. One was simply a vertical string of rings made from SS leader wire with the right size to gill pilchards that swam through them. A ribbon (usually red in color was strung through the vertical string of rings, because for unknown reasons it induced the pichards to swim into the rings. The other was to use a square piece of mono netting of the same size mesh, and suspend that square of net between a frame of heavier wire. Those also usually had a red ribbon strung vertically through one column of netting. Both were banned.
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Post by Flatsrunner on Feb 6, 2023 21:49:52 GMT -5
That's what I had heard also, that's why the bait shops in fla. stopped selling them, was looking at a old forum and the person stated that the reason they banned them is they where made from nylon gill nets which are illegal in florida,I found instructions on how to make them with #7 wire which would be similar to the one's I used to buy in s. florida.I guess it's a matter of interpretation of the law. Also, know...because I have used them in the far distant past... that those rings only work for scaled sardines (aka around here as pilchards or whitebait), and they almost never work to catch Spanish sardines or round scad (aka cigar minnows) -- probably because of the slim shape of sardines and cigar minnows which usually are much better bait than pilchards/whitebait). And yes, the so-called pilchard rings were banned in the net ban since the late 80's. It is not a matter of interpretation. FWC officers will cite/fine you if found using those rings. Has anyone taken my suggestion to ask FWC to allow sabiki rigs that use only very small hooks (i.e. #8 (USA size hooks) or smaller and very light mono (i.e. 6-lb test or less)? Instead of complaining -- make that kind of constructive suggestion to FWC. It would be a good and reasonable compromise because it is likely that small hooks are unlikely to penetrate pelican feathers, and the light line could be easily broken by a pelican taking off from a perch onto which the line was tangled. Otherwise, get ready to not have good bait or spend big $ on a big, heavy cast net that might actually be more dangerous to pelicans than tiny hooks on light mono. Yes that suggestion was made to fwc,It seems their decision is already made, a total ban on sabiki rigs, they do not want hooks hanging off birds wings even if only temporarily. |
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Post by carlf on Feb 7, 2023 7:35:16 GMT -5
What constitutes a sabikki rig?
How will they define it?
By number of hooks?
Hook size?
Hook color?
BTW, before sabikkis started to be imported in large number from Japan, we just used plain small gold hooks.
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Post by Flatsrunner on Feb 7, 2023 7:48:31 GMT -5
Another good question, I was wondering the same about pilcher rings, the banning of gill nets was defined as expandable nets of nylon or cotton that capture fish by the gills, where a pilcher ring made of metal rings will not expand but still catches bait by the gills, so does a cast net I guess. Another gray area of the law.
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Post by silverspoon on Feb 7, 2023 7:53:42 GMT -5
I still believe the problem with hooks is not the number of them but the barb on the tips that makes it hard to extract and consequently entangles on a bird should they run into it. With no barbs the hooks would be prone to fall out and be more like thorns than nasty barbed hooks.
For fishing, it clearly increases the chance of taking home something to eat so getting rid of barbs for that purpose may not be such a great idea but for the sabiki I think removing the barbs would reduce the number of bait brought up successfully but it would likely still catch bait easier than a single barbed hook. I've mentioned the removal of barbs from sabikis before but got no traction. Does the definition include barbed hooks?
Just an idea to consider.
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Post by seabird on Feb 7, 2023 18:06:37 GMT -5
What constitutes a sabikki rig? How will they define it? By number of hooks? Hook size? Hook color? BTW, before sabikkis started to be imported in large number from Japan, we just used plain small gold hooks. Good set of questions. I have often used partial sabikis with just 2 or 3 hooks...easier to cast and control. I have used larger sabikis to catch fish such as mackerel. The ban would hurt my assembly of lures to catch fish. |
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Post by fishsci on Feb 9, 2023 16:00:26 GMT -5
Also, know...because I have used them in the far distant past... that those rings only work for scaled sardines (aka around here as pilchards or whitebait), and they almost never work to catch Spanish sardines or round scad (aka cigar minnows) -- probably because of the slim shape of sardines and cigar minnows which usually are much better bait than pilchards/whitebait). And yes, the so-called pilchard rings were banned in the net ban since the late 80's. It is not a matter of interpretation. FWC officers will cite/fine you if found using those rings. Has anyone taken my suggestion to ask FWC to allow sabiki rigs that use only very small hooks (i.e. #8 (USA size hooks) or smaller and very light mono (i.e. 6-lb test or less)? Instead of complaining -- make that kind of constructive suggestion to FWC. It would be a good and reasonable compromise because it is likely that small hooks are unlikely to penetrate pelican feathers, and the light line could be easily broken by a pelican taking off from a perch onto which the line was tangled. Otherwise, get ready to not have good bait or spend big $ on a big, heavy cast net that might actually be more dangerous to pelicans than tiny hooks on light mono. Yes that suggestion was made to fwc,It seems their decision is already made, a total ban on sabiki rigs, they do not want hooks hanging off birds wings even if only temporarily. |
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Post by fishsci on Feb 9, 2023 16:08:21 GMT -5
It is very good that you have made that suggestion to FC about small hooks and light line bait rigs being allowed. However, everyone here should realize that a single suggestion (or even a couple of them) is very unlikely to have any impact. On the other hand, if there is an outpouring of similar comments from many many fishermen, they almost have to consider it, instead of ignoring a couple of comments.
Bottom line: If many members here do not bombard the commissioners about this option, all fishermen suffer the consequences.
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