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Post by Mackerelman on Jan 23, 2023 20:21:49 GMT -5
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fishsci
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Post by fishsci on Jan 23, 2023 22:54:04 GMT -5
I am not sure if I will be able to to "attend" this workshop. However, my strong suggestion (based on direct experience with FWC and such matters) is that everyone should be reasonable in their comments. Lack of civility will only result in everything you comment on being totally disregarded.
More importantly, I strongly suggest that everyone, in a unified manner, strongly demand that no changes be made without scientifically valid data that backs up such changes.
By that I mean that it is very unlikely that FWC has almost any verifiable data and evidence to support any changes as things stand. Changes should not be made without proper data. Changes should not be made based on opinion. Changes should be made only when there has been scientific study and strong evidence to support any change.
That is how the Commission is mandated to work. By bringing up the requirement for data and information, it will stop any "shot from the hip" reaction by the Commission to appease the birders. Relatedly, information, and supposed data presented by the birders base on their own observations is not acceptable as real data. Anything that they claim must be verified independently by FWC researchers before it can be used to justify any significant FWC actions or rules.
To summarize, be reasonable and civil, and insist that any changes must be justified by clearly valid study and data.
Personally, I doubt that FWC has any such data that could justify any immediate changes. Thus, at most, they could and should not make any changes that are anything more than token ones and that do not damage fishing from the skyway.
We should tell them that if, in the future, data is obtained to support meaningful changes, Skyway fishermen will work with FWC to make those changes fair to fishermen and to pelicans.
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Post by tears143 on Jan 23, 2023 23:44:06 GMT -5
Here's my submitted comments. Thought the meeting was in Feb and I would make it but guess they push it back.
Have u heard of the caste system in India? It is a very logical system over there and I would not be able to find fault in it. There is only 2 issues with it. It is based in a premises that everyone believe in karma and reincarnation. The caste system is if u r born into a slave, rich, or etc you stay there. You cannot move up the rank because of your past lives karma. Makes sense if u believe in karma and reincarnation. That's where the issue begin, if the base karma and reincarnation is not true then the whole system does not make sense.
That's the issue I have with the new rules at skyway. We haven't prove or disprove the premises of more" Pelican are dying due to fisherman using sabiki, more than 3 rods, and etc. Maybe these are all red herring.
I fish at skyway for more than a decade and spend a lot of time there(2-3 time a week). I would like a study to happen before anything rule
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Post by YodaFisherman on Jan 24, 2023 9:12:09 GMT -5
I’ve been out on the skyway, as an out of state visitor, more times than I can count. I have never had an issue with the birds. I pay attention to my surroundings and avoid the things that would result in interaction.
Unfortunately, there are too many people that just don’t care to do anything to avoid them. They feed the birds, leave multiple lines unattended and unwatched and throw trash, line, hooks and other gear in the water and on the pier deck. I clean up more crap when I’m out there it’s ridiculous. The actions of the few who don’t care will result in the rest of us suffering the consequences.
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Post by tears143 on Jan 24, 2023 10:50:51 GMT -5
I’ve been out on the skyway, as an out of state visitor, more times than I can count. I have never had an issue with the birds. I pay attention to my surroundings and avoid the things that would result in interaction. Unfortunately, there are too many people that just don’t care to do anything to avoid them. They feed the birds, leave multiple lines unattended and unwatched and throw trash, line, hooks and other gear in the water and on the pier deck. I clean up more crap when I’m out there it’s ridiculous. The actions of the few who don’t care will result in the rest of us suffering the consequences. I believe feeding the bird is the #1 issue. Now who been feeding the bird is the million dollar question. As of right now all fingers pointing to fishermen which I believe to be incorrect. |
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Post by Mackerelman on Jan 24, 2023 13:13:58 GMT -5
I’ve been out on the skyway, as an out of state visitor, more times than I can count. I have never had an issue with the birds. I pay attention to my surroundings and avoid the things that would result in interaction. Unfortunately, there are too many people that just don’t care to do anything to avoid them. They feed the birds, leave multiple lines unattended and unwatched and throw trash, line, hooks and other gear in the water and on the pier deck. I clean up more crap when I’m out there it’s ridiculous. The actions of the few who don’t care will result in the rest of us suffering the consequences. I believe feeding the bird is the #1 issue. Now who been feeding the bird is the million dollar question. As of right now all fingers pointing to fishermen which I believe to be incorrect. Many Fisherman netting bait leaves Bait out on the pier after picking what Bait that they want. Then the Birds hover & dive down to get the Bait. But I have also seen 2 occurrences of One of the Bird People throwing Bait onto the Pier after netting the Bait. This happened not more that 50 feet from Me while I was Fishing near the beginning of the pier. The last time this happened is when I got My Squidspoon's Hook in My Hand after My Line got tangled up with one of the Birds when the guy jerked on My Line while I was untangling My Line. I spoke about it previously in another post. |
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Post by seabird on Jan 24, 2023 18:34:10 GMT -5
I submitted my comments. The only position I agreed with is limiting active rods to 3. I commented against limiting hours of operation and against banning sabikis. They give you 900 words of comment length . |
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Post by tears143 on Jan 26, 2023 6:56:01 GMT -5
Anyone went to the meeting... how did it went? Couldn't make it..
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Post by Mackerelman on Jan 26, 2023 12:12:54 GMT -5
Anyone went to the meeting... how did it went? Couldn't make it.. 1. Limit Anglers to 1 Pole each & must be within 3 feet of the pole -(I forgot to add the 3 foot rule when I posted this post). 2. No Treble Hooks 3. No Top Water Plugs 4. No Sabikis 5. Close the Pier after Sunset 6. Close the Ends of Both Piers 7. Have more FWC Officers to Enforce the Rules on the Pier Anglers 8. Some want Both Piers Shut Down Immediately 9. Boaters don't have to Follow the Rules. Just the Anglers Fishing from the Piers has to Follow the Rules. This is all a Bunch of BS ! The Next Meeting will be in February. |
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Post by carlf on Jan 26, 2023 12:48:07 GMT -5
I could live with 1,2 & 7.
Rest is total BS.
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Post by seabird on Jan 26, 2023 12:51:19 GMT -5
I could live with 1,2 & 7. Rest is total BS. Number 7 is about it for me. One pole too stringent...2 or 3 fine. Number 5 is insane...almost no bird traffic at night. |
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Post by Flatsrunner on Jan 26, 2023 13:18:52 GMT -5
#1 Is a no go, how can anybody fish for kings or grouper with one rod? #4 no sabikis would be no live bait unless you are good with a cast net off the bridge, forget closing any part of the bridge period. # 7 FWC spends a lot of hours out there even if you don't see them, Look at the FWC reports Mackerelman posted. FOP people will not sign a sworn statement stating their so call claims of scalping pelicans because they have no proof only baseless assumptions. The FOP people were on fox 13 news last night with the same rhetoric. Someone need to call out FOP for positive proof publicly or be sued for slander. I personally think if they torn down the old bridge sections It would keep the pelicans from staging there waiting for their next meal and improve fishing on the piers, That's a start along with other things.
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Post by kingmackerelman on Jan 26, 2023 15:52:45 GMT -5
pelican folks won...
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Post by carlf on Jan 26, 2023 18:19:39 GMT -5
They have not won yet. Keep submitting comments asking for evidence and data to back up new regs and pointing out the unfounded allegations that the bird groups recently made.
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Post by fishfinderbill on Jan 26, 2023 21:31:32 GMT -5
I think it comes down to who has the most power. $ talks and BS walks. How much money is generated by the fisherfolks vs FOP. Every thing is negotiable. To say NO to the desires of the fishermen and the FOP not compromising on any issue is just WRONG!
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