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Post by sibweiphutlong on Jul 13, 2017 18:46:08 GMT -5
Guys I lost a few fish today at the piling on Desoto Bay pier - mango snappers. I would drop a shrimp down, 95% of the time these bait thieves would bite around the hook and steal my bait. The other 5% of the time I would actually hook them, and the first thing they do right before I even notice is wrap themselves around the piling of the pier. I was using a 30 lb leader, and was able to get one to free up using both brute force and patience. The other 3 or 4 I ended up breaking my line. Do you guys have tricks to either keep them from wrapping around the piling or how in the heck to get them to work their way back around the piling. Got to the pier around 7:30 and left around 10:30 -- nothing much to be said by anyone there.
Also the one mango that I did bring home (12") - I cut it up and found 3 whole shrimp in it plus some unlucky anglers hook/line in the gut of the fish.
Any advice would be helpful -- plus what in the hell happened to the mack? I saw plenty of bait albeit it was on the very small size (what happened to larger greenbacks also), but nothing was busting the bait at all.
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Post by Mackerelman on Jul 13, 2017 19:47:59 GMT -5
Fish Close to the Columns but Keep a tight Line on them.
The Fish have Learned this Trick from experience from Traveling in Schools. LOL
It has happened to me several times as well.
I hate losing my Doc's Jigs around the columns.
That gets expensive.
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Post by kinggeorgeiii on Jul 14, 2017 0:16:21 GMT -5
Where are the macks!!!
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Post by YeehaZing on Jul 14, 2017 6:34:26 GMT -5
The Fish have Learned this Trick from experience from Traveling in Schools. LOL Hahaha!  |
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Post by redneck666 on Jul 14, 2017 7:15:36 GMT -5
As stated before, constant pressure. When I know they're hooked good, I sometimes vibrate my line by pulling on it and letting it go. They seem to hate that and will run but not always. I have made a habit, especially when I am at the pier, to hook one and run backwards while reeling in. It gives them less line and space to run with.
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Post by sibweiphutlong on Jul 14, 2017 9:32:26 GMT -5
Nice good advise! Thanks guys.
haha mackman, sometimes schooling in not the best thing!
Talked to a few fishermen on the piers and they all stated that this is not normal for the macks/bait to not be here, something about the water being too warm. Do you guys think we might have a fruitful fall?
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Post by seabird on Jul 14, 2017 11:09:09 GMT -5
Nice good advise! Thanks guys. haha mackman, sometimes schooling in not the best thing! Talked to a few fishermen on the piers and they all stated that this is not normal for the macks/bait to not be here, something about the water being too warm. Do you guys think we might have a fruitful fall? I am an optimist. I look for a good fall fishing. |
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Post by montylfl on Jul 14, 2017 11:53:24 GMT -5
Try using a knocker rig and reel reel reel. Can't fight snapper no matter how small
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Post by Mackerelman on Jul 14, 2017 14:42:24 GMT -5
Nice good advise! Thanks guys. haha mackman, sometimes schooling in not the best thing! Talked to a few fishermen on the piers and they all stated that this is not normal for the macks/bait to not be here, something about the water being too warm. Do you guys think we might have a fruitful fall? Yes, the Fish Schooling is not always the best thing. As I have said in several other posts about the Water Temperature, the Water is real warm for Macks to bite at this time of the Year. The Macks get lazy like many other Fish when the Water is Hot. You may find the Macks on the Resting on the Bottom from the Warm Water. I have seen Many Summers when the Water is Hot & the Macks will not Bite as well as other Fish like Grouper. Each Fish has a Certain Water Temperature Range that they will Bite in. When the Water begins to Cool down around September & October, You will see a Change in the Bite.  Be Prepared. |
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Post by SkyJay on Jul 14, 2017 19:08:23 GMT -5
those bugers are tricky.
a couple things you might try,
pay close attention to the direction of the
current...
never let a piling get between you and your
line.
Always stand at a slight angle and fish the down
current side where the little eddys form.
when you hook up, sidestep as you reel like
all get out and try to get the fishes head turned
in your direction, and between you and the
piling, not the piling between you and the fish.
Crank dont yank, and keep on crankin!
(but not against yer drag, its a reel fine line
with a learning curve😎)
Sounds good and its way easier said than done.
Especially on light tackle.
Sometimes, all you can do is retie and try again.
Also instead of pitching your bait in where
the bite is, try using lighter leads (just enough to get
down) and slowly feed line and drift the bait back in
there naturally.
hope that helps.
best of luck to ya's
Fish On
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Post by sibweiphutlong on Jul 14, 2017 21:15:37 GMT -5
Good advise Jay! Thank you!
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Post by salmonslayer on Jul 15, 2017 7:29:43 GMT -5
Regarding the absence of mackeral, I have been fishing the Venice jetty for the last few days and the mackeral have been so thick I catch them on every cast. The only problem is they are are all 8 to 10 inches long. Literally thousands of them eating everything in sight.
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Post by Mackerelman on Jul 15, 2017 20:40:53 GMT -5
Regarding the absence of mackeral, I have been fishing the Venice jetty for the last few days and the mackeral have been so thick I catch them on every cast. The only problem is they are are all 8 to 10 inches long. Literally thousands of them eating everything in sight. You are not alone. I had the same problem here today. I caught 3 - 8" Macks today at the SS Pier. I think that since We had a Warm Winter here, the Macks that stayed in the Bay had their babes here rather than them having their babies much farther south. And that is what We are seeing now. They hit that Soon hard so they are hungry. |
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Post by skywaypa on Jul 18, 2017 15:03:32 GMT -5
A story to share about those mangos... there was a large school of them under the sea wall of our rental. I was live lining shrimp to the school with a #6 octopus buried in the tail. I watched them peel off the school to micro inspect the shrimp before biting it. And I mean a LONG hard look. This was a live kicking shrimp. And when they bit half of them bit around the hook. These fish aren't dumb. I'm not saying they are doing calculus down there but knowing that they can shred a line on the pilings isn't a stretch at all. Gotta horse them outta there.
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Post by sibweiphutlong on Jul 19, 2017 10:07:28 GMT -5
I noticed that too! they bite just before the hook! These fish been schooling too long man - incredible to think that they have figured out what hooks are for and how to avoid them. Maybe flipper has been giving out some free advise?
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Post by Mackerelman on Jul 19, 2017 10:32:12 GMT -5
I noticed that too! they bite just before the hook! These fish been schooling too long man - incredible to think that they have figured out what hooks are for and how to avoid them. Maybe flipper has been giving out some free advise? Flipper just maybe be giving Advice to the Mangos while they are Schooling. By the Way, Mango Snappers have Excellent Vision.That is why to catch them, You need as Small of a Diameter Leader as Possible to Catch them. When You put Bait on the Hook for Snapper, Cover the Hook as Much as possible. Fish On !  |
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