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Post by detroitd on Jul 7, 2017 8:00:04 GMT -5
Hello all:
I have been making and tying my teasers on a loop with banana (Silly Willys, Wigglers and a few Doc's) jigs with the hooks facing OPPOSITE directions.
I see Doc's Goofy Jigs (the gold standard IMHO) that come pre-rigged have the teasers hook points facing the SAME direction as the jig.
I thought it would be more effective with the hooks opposite as provoking a strike, you essentially have two shots at the fish. But Doc's is what started this Pompano rig phenomenon and they almost appeared "nestled" in same direction.
How do you guys who make and/or tie your own teasers set them and why?
D
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Post by snookninja on Jul 7, 2017 11:09:39 GMT -5
I tie a long rapala/loop not, it does make a difference which side the teaser faces if you use a loop knot.
I've recently swtiched from the Goofy jig to Dons Jigs glass minnow. I've used the Dr Goofy's for ladyfish and caught a ton of other fish, but the switch to Don's Jigs have got me catching bigger by product fish although the jigs are a touch smaller.
Good luck!
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Post by YodaFisherman on Jul 7, 2017 13:11:23 GMT -5
I have a number of these and all have the teasers facing the opposite direction. Now honestly the ones with the loop knot I have retied a number of times so I don't remember what they looked like when new. The ones purchased with the ring connecting the teaser have it facing the other way as well. Never thought about it. I've had success, so if it ain't broke don't fix it.
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Post by detroitd on Jul 7, 2017 14:41:32 GMT -5
Yoda:
The ones you purchased with the ring connector has the hooks opposite ways? I don't have any more of the Doc's with the teasers, they've been donated to the sea, but I really don't recall how it was configured. I was going by a photo of the Doc's with teaser.
I'm making my own so I cognizantly tie them opposite on the loop knot. Is there a difference? I can't tell because I haven't a lot of real-time to determine.
Think I'll tie both ways. Just like colors scheme, mix it up and see what happens. Let the pomps choose...
D
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Post by YodaFisherman on Jul 7, 2017 16:01:55 GMT -5
detroitd
I'll shoot a picture and attach it tomorrow morning. I'm traveling at the moment and won't be home until late.
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Post by YodaFisherman on Jul 9, 2017 5:30:46 GMT -5
Well, no picture needed. I have two, the teasers face different directions. So, I must have changed one. I don't remember doing that, but I must have.
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Post by montylfl on Jul 14, 2017 12:09:36 GMT -5
In your experience do you catch more on the jig or teaser? I get pomps in the jig and ladyfish and jacks on the teaser.
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Post by sibweiphutlong on Jul 14, 2017 15:45:24 GMT -5
Just purchased a new Docs Goofy jig and can confirm the teaser and the jig both face the same direction.
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Post by atbuckhunter on Jul 14, 2017 15:50:48 GMT -5
Ive had a bit more luck tying them in opposite ways, but all the locals that I talk to have them tied the same direction. Those guys were really hammering the pompano so it sure doesn't hurt anything to do it either way.
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Post by detroitd on Jul 14, 2017 19:19:31 GMT -5
In your experience do you catch more on the jig or teaser? I get pomps in the jig and ladyfish and jacks on the teaser. With an extremely low sample volume, I haven't noticed. I get too excited to get the pomp to the ruler! However, today the one I landed hit the jig. I've read one article that says 90% of the time the pomp hits the teaser, other gave the teaser 70%. I think these were anecdotal opinions borne of experience. |
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Post by detroitd on Jul 14, 2017 19:26:03 GMT -5
Ive had a bit more luck tying them in opposite ways, but all the locals that I talk to have them tied the same direction. Those guys were really hammering the pompano so it sure doesn't hurt anything to do it either way. I did find a well-worn Goofy with the snap ring teaser. And yep, pointed same way. You say the locals tie same direction? Now if they say that, and that's how the "stock" Goofy jig is, where in the heck did tying them opposite come from? Well, like many other fishing subjects, no definitive answer. We're not the ones biting at them I suppose. Guess I'll tie both ways (made a boatload of teasers up) and get to targeting pompano more to see which is more effective. D |
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Post by YodaFisherman on Jul 14, 2017 20:32:34 GMT -5
In your experience do you catch more on the jig or teaser? I get pomps in the jig and ladyfish and jacks on the teaser. Honestly I don't recall. Pompano are what I catch most of the time but I have also caught a few, Spanish Mackerel, Crevalle jacks, Sheepshead and other junk fish on the darn things. I've used them on the Atlantic side and got a few Whiting and Sail Cats as well. They are great lures. |
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Post by tears143 on Jul 14, 2017 21:47:55 GMT -5
Ive had a bit more luck tying them in opposite ways, but all the locals that I talk to have them tied the same direction. Those guys were really hammering the pompano so it sure doesn't hurt anything to do it either way. I did find a well-worn Goofy with the snap ring teaser. And yep, pointed same way. You say the locals tie same direction? Now if they say that, and that's how the "stock" Goofy jig is, where in the heck did tying them opposite come from? Well, like many other fishing subjects, no definitive answer. We're not the ones biting at them I suppose. Guess I'll tie both ways (made a boatload of teasers up) and get to targeting pompano more to see which is more effective. D doc tied it same direction... Silly Willy tie it opposite direction. |
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Post by detroitd on Jul 16, 2017 18:15:01 GMT -5
Is there a reason to this, Tears?
I seek wisdom from the Pomp Slaya! Lol.
D
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Post by Mackerelman on Jul 16, 2017 18:49:25 GMT -5
That is Probably why they are called Silly Willy's.
They are Tied different maybe to avoid Copyright Laws.
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Post by tears143 on Jul 16, 2017 20:56:16 GMT -5
Is there a reason to this, Tears? I seek wisdom from the Pomp Slaya! Lol. D Should not make a different. |
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Post by detroitd on Jul 17, 2017 7:00:51 GMT -5
That is Probably why they are called Silly Willy's. They are Tied different maybe to avoid Copyright Laws. But they don't come with a teaser. Only Doc's do, that I'm aware of. Some of the Doc's anywho. D |
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Post by montylfl on Jul 17, 2017 20:45:49 GMT -5
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Post by detroitd on Jul 17, 2017 23:43:35 GMT -5
Those are rigged by the seller, montyfl. That's who I bought my Willys from without the teasers (use my own, save $).
I'm comparing/contrasting it to the Doc's that come packaged with the teaser on a snap ring.
One would think that since Doc's invented or perfected this jig, it would be in stone to tie the 2 with hooks in same direction.
The perfection doesn't cease even after the mousetrap is built...
(I'm going to copyright that statement, lol).
D
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Post by snookninja on Jul 18, 2017 16:59:10 GMT -5
I've rigged them both ways, makes no difference. Still catch fish. A better hook up ratio is if you tip them with bit's of shrimp or sand fleas, I'll use fishbites or gulp pieces too.
Don, when your down here we can fish a few spots with them.
When using Jigs I like to use a 7ft to 8ft Medium Light rod, fast action and 2500/3000 reel spooled with 15lb braid. The extra length plus soft tip give me a better casting range and I can feel the bite better with the sensitive rod.
For pompano's I like the tide at it's highest.
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Post by detroitd on Jul 18, 2017 18:03:02 GMT -5
Unfortunately, one of my dogs ate a pack of Sandflea Fishbites! So far no puking or runs all over the place... Good thing they aren't the mesh ones.  |
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Post by sircatfish on Jul 19, 2017 1:14:35 GMT -5
IMO, whenever I buy Doc's or Sillys, I ALWAYS immediately take off the O ring and when attaching to my leader I tie a 1/2-1" loop knot with both hooks facing same direction. Probably doesn't make a huge difference which direction they face....the fish is attracted by the sporadic action between the weighted jig and the teaser mainly on the drop after a jig is performed. While making a strike from any direction, the hooks are still easily able to do the job. As far as color collaboration....bright green jig paired with a hot pink teaser having a #2 kale hook has out performed any other colors for me. May be different for others? Have seen so many of these teasers tied to such tiny hooks in the market and I don't understand why. I have lost more pompano on these smaller teasers than the larger ones. 90% of my fishing nowadays is strictly for pompano and I've had a ton of success using this method. Takes hours of jigging but when you know you've got one, the feeling is amazing. Even when you land a 30 lb black drum on one with 8 lb mono on a light action rod like I did 2 weeks ago... it is rewarding.  These pomp rigs are no joke, they really work. I surely would love to learn how to tie these teasers though. :/ They get to be pretty pricey. Anyone? |
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Post by detroitd on Jul 19, 2017 3:11:42 GMT -5
Good input, Sircatfish.
I'll PM you some info.
D
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Post by tears143 on Jul 19, 2017 7:54:08 GMT -5
I'll throw in my 2 cents....
I found that small hook get you more bite and more hook up, however like sircatfish said, it'll be easier to unhook itself. The more hook up and more bite is probably due to the size of the pompano mouth and what they feed on. I mostly use size 4J hooks but I have seen people use 1/0 and 3/0 as well. Most common one I would say are 4 and 2. For bridges and such, a circle hook will keep the fish on longer for you to pull up onto the bridge. Also if there are ladyfish around, the circle hook, keep them hook better.
So pick the one that works for you best, get more bite or lose less fish. I always want to get more bite but if I know an area that will lways get dolphin, I would increase the size of my hook to get the fish away from them. Also if I am fishing up high on a bridge, I would increase my size. If I am fishing right now and know that there are permit around, I would increase the size of my hook and leader line and main line.
Each situation has it own benefit for it own type of fishing. Find your niche and you'll greatly increase your catch.. for pompano or for any fish. What work best for another person doesn't mean it'll work for you as well.
A good example of this one, I am using 1/4 and 1/8 jigs and the guy next to me was using 1/2 and 3/4. He was catching nothing and I was catching quite a few fish. He switch over and still isn't catching anything and he noticed his jig was floating and not hitting bottom. He switched back to 3/4 and he started catching.
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Post by detroitd on Jul 19, 2017 8:58:08 GMT -5
Good stuff, tears!
I'm currently using #2 circle hooks but now just may tie a few #4. Yes, the pompano do have rather small mouths so "escapability" of a hooked one from a dolphin is something I haven't considered. It goes beyond hyperspeed reeling I suppose.
D
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Post by sircatfish on Jul 20, 2017 23:10:29 GMT -5
Good stuff, tears! I'm currently using #2 circle hooks but now just may tie a few #4. D Circle hooks for your teasers? |
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Post by detroitd on Jul 20, 2017 23:35:00 GMT -5
Good stuff, tears! I'm currently using #2 circle hooks but now just may tie a few #4. D Circle hooks for your teasers? Yep! I want that thing to land in their cheek! D |
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Post by atbuckhunter on Jul 21, 2017 22:03:38 GMT -5
Ive had a bit more luck tying them in opposite ways, but all the locals that I talk to have them tied the same direction. Those guys were really hammering the pompano so it sure doesn't hurt anything to do it either way. I did find a well-worn Goofy with the snap ring teaser. And yep, pointed same way. You say the locals tie same direction? Now if they say that, and that's how the "stock" Goofy jig is, where in the heck did tying them opposite come from? Well, like many other fishing subjects, no definitive answer. We're not the ones biting at them I suppose. Guess I'll tie both ways (made a boatload of teasers up) and get to targeting pompano more to see which is more effective. D I remember reading that it should be tied in opposite directions, but most of the people I see fishing with it, have them facing the same way. I'm sure it doesn't really make much of a difference tbh. I also tied my teasers on size 2 hooks because that's what I was told to do, but the guy next to me was using a pretty small hook for his teaser so I may pick up some number 4 hooks and tie on them. |
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Post by armiman on Jul 22, 2017 13:58:57 GMT -5
Good input, Sircatfish. I'll PM you some info. D If that is info on tying teasers, could I please get it also? |
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Post by atbuckhunter on Jul 22, 2017 14:49:53 GMT -5
Circle hooks for your teasers? Yep! I want that thing to land in their cheek! D So you don't jig, you just pull up to move the jig? I've thought about using circles, but thought I wouldn't create enough moment with it. |
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These pomp rigs are no joke, they really work.