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Post by KingSalmon on Jun 19, 2017 19:34:49 GMT -5
If a rod and reel are rated ro 8 - 20lb test line what would happen if you used 25lb test? |
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Post by detroitd on Jun 19, 2017 19:45:19 GMT -5
Never really thought of that, over capacity?
I'd imagine your reel couldn't hold as much line. You may have slower casting ability, possibly birding on your reel. These are all guesses.
Why not spool it with a higher test braid that's equal in diameter to your mono capacity?
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Post by KingSalmon on Jun 19, 2017 21:09:57 GMT -5
The reason I ask this is I have some 25lb test that I don't think (I bought it too long ago from Amazon) I can return it. |
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Post by Mackerelman on Jun 19, 2017 21:21:08 GMT -5
If a rod and reel are rated ro 8 - 20lb test line what would happen if you used 25lb test? You could probably use it. The line passing through the Eyes of the Rod may come out a little slower than using the Smaller line. I am not totally sure but I think that is how they Line Rate Rods. |
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Post by tears143 on Jun 19, 2017 21:50:09 GMT -5
If a rod and reel are rated ro 8 - 20lb test line what would happen if you used 25lb test? Sometime there are two rating for the same rod... one for mono and one for braid... I am guessing it's mostly for the eye of the rod. The other reason why you do not have to use 100# braid on a 8-20 rod if you tighten down the drag and flex the rod.. it'll break the rod before the drag goes off. Basically reel is too big for the rod. |
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Post by Mackerelman on Jun 19, 2017 21:58:14 GMT -5
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Post by gnome on Jun 20, 2017 8:32:09 GMT -5
If a rod and reel are rated ro 8 - 20lb test line what would happen if you used 25lb test? Just an opinion, but nothing will happen. The drag will slip at the same point, and the rod will bend the same, regardless of line test/diameter. If you are just throwing a hook and sinker, I doubt you will be able to see any difference in casting performance(move up to 40# or more, there will be a BIG difference). |
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Post by gotchaslinger on Jun 20, 2017 10:06:11 GMT -5
Line capacity will decrease due to the diameter of the line. if your reel is rated for 120 yards of 20lb test. it will only hold 100yards of 25lb test
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Post by KingSalmon on Jun 20, 2017 13:50:08 GMT -5
Thanks for all the info guys. I don't think it would make a big difference. If I used 60 or 80, that would be a different story....
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Post by Mackerelman on Jun 20, 2017 13:57:10 GMT -5
Thanks for all the info guys. I don't think it would make a big difference. If I used 60 or 80, that would be a different story.... We are All Trying Our Best on Advising You on Your Best Choice for the Dollar. One thing that is good on This Board, You Ask & We All Respond ! |
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Post by tolentino on Jun 20, 2017 14:51:37 GMT -5
I agree with Mackerelman. I tried to use 30lb test on my 20lb rod. Besides shorter distence of the top water lure could cast, nothing else happened really. If a rod and reel are rated ro 8 - 20lb test line what would happen if you used 25lb test? You could probably use it. The line passing through the Eyes of the Rod may come out a little slower than using the Smaller line. I am not totally sure but I think that is how they Line Rate Rods. |
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Post by Mackerelman on Jun 20, 2017 14:58:50 GMT -5
I agree with Mackerelman. I tried to use 30lb test on my 20lb rod. Besides shorter distence of the top water lure could cast, nothing else happened really. You could probably use it. The line passing through the Eyes of the Rod may come out a little slower than using the Smaller line. I am not totally sure but I think that is how they Line Rate Rods. Always Remember, the Smaller the Line the Farther You Can Cast. |
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Post by KingSalmon on Jun 20, 2017 16:37:36 GMT -5
So should I keep the 25lb and get new equipment or keep the equipment and get new line?l What about compressed air bait cannons for the casting distance challenged like me?  |
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Post by detroitd on Jun 20, 2017 17:01:47 GMT -5
So should I keep the 25lb and get new equipment or keep the equipment and get new line?l What about compressed air bait cannons for the casting distance challenged like me? Overkill dude! Play the currents to get your bait where you want. The beauty of fishing a pier is that distance casting isn't really necessary. Surf casting to get your tackle out past a sandbar or trough, perhaps. Cannons are for Civil War reenactments, IMHO. Keep your rod/reel and get new line. Ask yourself, to which are you more attached to? Your equipment or your spool of 25#? Heck, you may be able to trade that 25# with someone for smaller line or even some terminal stuff. You might even add to your arsenal down the road and use that 25#. D |
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Post by bman on Jun 20, 2017 18:33:44 GMT -5
So should I keep the 25lb and get new equipment or keep the equipment and get new line?l What about compressed air bait cannons for the casting distance challenged like me? That's as good a reason as any to get new gear!!! You can't really have too much fishing gear!
And don't listen to DetroitD. The cannon is the way to go! Make sure you record it too... 
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Post by SkyJay on Jun 20, 2017 19:34:06 GMT -5
i have a suggestion.
number one learn how to tie the FG knot.
it is a braid to mono connection knot, that is smaller
and more compact than a double uni knot, and it's
also stronger.
Part 2 is gonna require a few bucks,
but is actually gonna save you money in
the long run.
First take the 25# mono off of your reel.
Back spool it on an old spool or something
and save it because you're gonna reuse it.
Be sure to leave a little on the spool for backing...
about 10 or 15 yds will do.
Next, get you some 30 lb test superbraid.
The brand isn't really that important, as long
as it's premium quality, and economical.
Shop around. You can usually pick up enough
to fill an average spinning reel pretty reasonably.
Next, fill that reel with braided line leaving
just enough room for a mono topshot of about
15-20 ft of your 25 lb mono.
Use your newly mastered FG knot to thouroughly fasten the 2 together.
BAMM problem solved.
Easy longer casting plus added power.
The topshot gives you shock absorbing stretch,
and now youre cookin with grease.
This one little inovation has trippled my
catch ratio over the last 3 years and it
will yours too.
One more thing.
Always remember, the drag is your friend.
Get in the habit of constantly checking and adjusting
the tension on your drag to suit circumstance and conditions.
Personally I take this almost to an ocd level.
Checking my drag very often if not every drop.
If I know my intended target species is
a reel burner or runner, I'll set up kinda light.
If Im fishin near or on bottom for say Snapper
or Grouper I'll tighten down for power to steer
the fish from structure, but not too tight,
or you could end up breaking off.
rod line or both.
Having said all that though, if youre seriously
targeting keeper Gag Grouper at the Skyway
Pier, in my opinion you're better off using
heavier conventional gear.
The high speed Shimano Tourium, Daiwa Saltist,
Or Penn's Fathom, Squall, or Torque models.
which are all pretty pricey, but the high speed gear
ratio really helps pull Mr. 30 incher from his lair quickly.
In the mean time stick with the gear ya got
and use it to your full advantage by staying on top of all the latest inovations and tricks.
A good craftsman never blames his tools.
lol😎
fish on!
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Post by Mackerelman on Jun 20, 2017 19:45:19 GMT -5
A Good 4/0 or 6/0 Conventional Reel & Rod Set Up is Great for Pulling Up those 30 inchers like SkyJay said from the Skyway Piers. Believe Me, SkyJay knows about pulling in the Gags from the Skyway Piers.  We both have Caught Quite a Few in Our Past.  |
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Post by KingSalmon on Jun 20, 2017 19:49:38 GMT -5
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Post by SkyJay on Jun 20, 2017 20:24:17 GMT -5
😐 sorry man.
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Post by gnome on Jun 20, 2017 20:30:07 GMT -5
So should I keep the 25lb and get new equipment or keep the equipment and get new line?l What about compressed air bait cannons for the casting distance challenged like me? You haven't told us what the equipment is. Is it worth keeping? |
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Post by tears143 on Jun 20, 2017 21:23:41 GMT -5
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Post by Mackerelman on Jun 20, 2017 21:38:21 GMT -5
KingSalmon:You may have a Great Rod & Reel for Pompano & Snappers. Ask Tears, He will tell You. That is His Department !
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Post by detroitd on Jun 20, 2017 22:56:14 GMT -5
So should I keep the 25lb and get new equipment or keep the equipment and get new line?l What about compressed air bait cannons for the casting distance challenged like me? That's as good a reason as any to get new gear!!! You can't really have too much fishing gear!
And don't listen to DetroitD. The cannon is the way to go! Make sure you record it too...
Canons are for playing around. I don't know how much they cost, but I'd rather put that $$ into equipment, tackle, etc. D |
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Post by aussieguy on Jun 21, 2017 6:16:27 GMT -5
I'm guessing the reel is a spinning reel (egg beater type)
putting heavier mono line on it will decrease the casting distance
the line will eventually create a memory and come off the spool in loops
the smaller the diameter spool the more loops you get
the heavier the line is the loops get stronger and resist going through the eye
if the rod matches the reel they first eye may be too small..
each loop will hit the first eye on the rod ... each time a loop hits the eye it slows down a tiny bit more
reels designed for heavier lines have larger spool diameter and the first eye on the rod is much larger
don't over fill the spool..... with the 25 lb you'll be tempted to put on as much as you can cram in
but the heavier line will act like a spring and try to pop off the spool
creating further problems
I use two rods on the pier
cheapie walmart job for catching pin fish ... 10lb line
larger stiffer rod for hunting the big fellas
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Post by KingSalmon on Jun 21, 2017 8:18:42 GMT -5
So should I keep the 25lb and get new equipment or keep the equipment and get new line?l What about compressed air bait cannons for the casting distance challenged like me? You haven't told us what the equipment is. Is it worth keeping? It's like over 20yrs old. I just moved from another state and the reel is still packed somewhere. I think I'll take the advice of all you guys and start from scratch with new equipment. The prices at Neuse for Penn reels is really good. Someone said a 4000 with a med/heavy rod is a good combo. Any suggestion on other models besides the 4000? Advice on rods and line would be greatly appretiated. Thank you all in advance. Sorry to be a pita, but I'm new to pier fishing in FL and need all the help I can get........  |
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Post by tears143 on Jun 21, 2017 8:29:05 GMT -5
You haven't told us what the equipment is. Is it worth keeping? It's like over 20yrs old. I just moved from another state and the reel is still packed somewhere. I think I'll take the advice of all you guys and start from scratch with new equipment. The prices at Neuse for Penn reels is really good. Someone said a 4000 with a med/heavy rod is a good combo. Any suggestion on other models besides the 4000? Advice on rods and line would be greatly appretiated. Thank you all in advance. Sorry to be a pita, but I'm new to pier fishing in FL and need all the help I can get........ 4k reel with #20 braid will catch you a lot of different type of fish. Just need to learn to tie good knots and you're set. For the monster fish.. you can still land with 20# braid and you can still feel for the smaller fish biting as well. If going with 3k reel, I would either get 15# or 10# braid. I'll stick to 15# for now until you are confident with your knots and fishing skill, then drop it to 10#. There is always the benefit of using a heavy or light line. light = feel bite better, cast better. heavy = more forgiving if you mess up somewhere. (mostly at knot area) Also can horse fish in easier. |
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Post by gnome on Jun 21, 2017 9:39:08 GMT -5
You haven't told us what the equipment is. Is it worth keeping? I just moved from another state and the reel is still packed somewhere. I think I'll take the advice of all you guys and start from scratch with new equipment. The prices at Neuse for Penn reels is really good. Someone said a 4000 with a med/heavy rod is a good combo. Any suggestion on other models besides the 4000? Advice on rods and line would be greatly appretiated. Thank you all in advance. Sorry to be a pita, but I'm new to pier fishing in FL and need all the help I can get........ That's the BEST excuse ever, to buy a new rod & reel! Your not that far from Bass Pro Shop. Take a field trip over there, and you can see and hold what is available. Looking at a picture on Amazon is not the same as having it in your hand, to judge size and feel. Normally Bass Pro can be spendy, but some times they beat online prices, and you get it right NoW. |
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Post by snookninja on Jun 21, 2017 11:14:48 GMT -5
If a rod and reel are rated ro 8 - 20lb test line what would happen if you used 25lb test? ^Not much. If the line you use is higher than the line rating on the rod, when you reel is set to it's maximum drag there is a potential to break the rod. (providing the drag is stronger than the rod rating) If your reel only has a drag of 8 to 10lbs you won't have a problem as there is not enough drag to lock the reel past the breaking strength of the rod. If the line you have is braid, there is a good chance that it's breaking strength is higher than the 25lb test, by maybe 10lbs. Easy to cast, easier to feel the bite, expensive, wind knots and tangles are pain in the ass. If the line is mono, it will typically have a breaking strength close to it's actual rating within a 1lb or so. Harder to cast in heavy diameters, cheap, easy to tie knots, easy to untangle, needs to be replaced every couple of years or so. 20lb to 30lb braid is very typical for inshore, the diameter is almost hard to tell so a lot of fisher folks will use 30lb on a 4000 size reel. If you are lucky enough to have a boat then you can go lighter. Medium Heavy Rod, 3000 or 4000 reel, 20lb braid is all you would need. typically the difference in a 3000/4000/5000 size reel is the amount of line they hold, the drag will be fairly close. If you are looking for new, then buy a brand that has service centers near you for the reels, and look at replacement warranty on the rods, Star rods for example have an over the counter replacement warranty, if you break the rod, take it to the nearest dealer and they will give you a replacement, others you will have to send off for the replacement and can also come at a cost. I broke a TFO (Temple Fork Outfitters) rod a few months back whilst bringing in a big snook, I took the rod to the dealer and the sent it off for replacement, the rod was 18 months old and had a ton of use, I had replaced 3 of the guide eyes with none matching guides too, the rod cost over $200's, it took over a month to get a replacement rod and I had to pay $50 replacement fee, but I got a brand new rod, the update model too and I'm fishing again! I've got a lot of rods, all different rating and styles, custom and off the shelve, but I make sure that the replacement warranty is worth it before I spend. Not sure about other brands, but Star, Crowder, TFO, St Croix, G-Lomis and Falcon have good replacement policies that I know of though personal use or someone I know has experienced. If you go the two rod set up, the you can scale down to a Medium or Medium/Light rod with 2500/3000 reel, 15 to 20lb braid and then a conventional 50lb+ rated and a reel like the Shimano TLD (if you have a big budget than an Avet/Accurate/Sigler) Pier fishing is unique, we tend to use heavier rods and reels, lines, sinkers. Not many people bring a fish up 20ft from the water, so when buying from a tackle shop tell them you are fishing heavy structure from piers/bridges. Good luck with your purchase! |
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Post by bman on Jun 21, 2017 21:37:54 GMT -5
Here's what I use:
Skyway-
Penn Fierce II 5000. I have it on an Offshore Angler (Bass Pro brand) 7' m/h rod. (http://www.basspro.com/Offshore-Angler-Gold-Cup-Inshore-Spinning-Rod/product/1502131026309/) Great bridge setup.
Flats/Inshore fishing-
Penn Fierce II 4000. I have it on a Calico Jack 7' medium action rod. (they make them in 7'6" also. You'll get a little better casting distance with this one. I just don't like them cause they are easier to break the tip when putting them in the car or truck.)
Both are spooled with 12lb mono. (I never got into the braid. Don't know why, but I guess I'm just stuck in my ways)
If you plan on targeting grouper on the bridge, I would go up a size or to in the reel 6 or 8k series and go with heavier line. Or as others have said, go with a conventional reel that has more torque. Go with an 8ft tarpon rod and you'll have a good chance at yankin those things outta them rocks!
Then if you want offshore gear... that's a whole nother thread!!! lol
Gnome has some good advice. Write down your different options and then take a ride over to Bass Pro. Test drive them and see what you like.
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Post by KingSalmon on Jun 25, 2017 13:17:48 GMT -5
Hi guys,
What do you all find to be the difference between 20lb mono and 20lb braid?
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