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Post by phishead on Oct 16, 2019 12:49:44 GMT -5
Since I will probably be able to troll for kings one time this November how would you guys prioritize the bait and lure in order of importance. Now I will try to get a blue runner or two but Incase I can’t. Here are my choices. I will probably send out two rods. Since I will be by myself on a kayak that puts the spoon with a plainer out.
Lg crank bait
Lg spoon with troll sinker
Live pin
Live lg greenback
Frozen bait cigar, ballyhoo, mac
I’m probably leaning toward one rod with crank lure
And the other either with live pin or frozen cigar.
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Post by corpuszero on Oct 16, 2019 12:59:44 GMT -5
Kingfish good to eat?
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Post by possumhollerfishing on Oct 16, 2019 13:02:08 GMT -5
I go for kings out of the yak every fall and usually just use I live blue runner under a balloon. Never really tried trolling in the yak but I’m interested to hear your results.
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Post by phishead on Oct 16, 2019 13:09:57 GMT -5
I go for kings out of the yak every fall and usually just use I live blue runner under a balloon. Never really tried trolling in the yak but I’m interested to hear your results. Balloon is also on the table as an option. But Incase I can’t get a live blue rubber, wondering about pinfish or threadfins. |
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Post by phishead on Oct 16, 2019 13:11:21 GMT -5
One of the best. Grilled steaked Baked steaked Smoked filet Smoked dip Damn I’m getting hungry. |
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Post by SkyJay on Oct 16, 2019 13:38:35 GMT -5
my favorite bait for Kings at the pier
is a big ole lively Threadfin.
Out there in the ditch, the obvious
blue runner should get bit on
the slow troll.
Ladyfish, Small but legal Spanny Macks,
or even mullet get the nod.
good luck
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Post by phishead on Oct 16, 2019 14:11:40 GMT -5
my favorite bait for Kings at the pier is a big ole lively Threadfin. Out there in the ditch, the obvious blue runner should get bit on the slow troll. Ladyfish, Small but legal Spanny Macks, or even mullet get the nod. good luck I assume threadfin on slow troll is a no, so a balloon drifting out would be the way to go. I don't sense any love from you for the pins, drifting or slow troll. I planning to try to catch live bait at desoto and launch there too hence asking about the pins and theadfins. Can't guarantee to get blue runner or small mac. The shipping channel is pretty close to shore. |
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Post by SkyJay on Oct 16, 2019 14:37:12 GMT -5
threadfin slow troll yes
pins work great offshore but not
so around structure filled with pelagic
bait one day last spring at the north pier
they landed like 3 or 4 in one day on pins
another good plan is to take light spinner
out with you and fish a smaii spoon
or jig and immediatly freeline anything
you catch right back out.
Thats how them big tourney boats
are getting the big 40-60 pounders😉
ladyfish, spanny macs anything lively
and 10-14 inches long on a multiple hook
stinger rig. hold on tight.
the drag is your friend!
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Post by phishead on Oct 16, 2019 14:54:25 GMT -5
threadfin slow troll yes pins work great offshore but not so around structure filled with pelagic bait one day last spring at the north pier they landed like 3 or 4 in one day on pins another good plan is to take light spinner out with you and fish a smaii spoon or jig and immediatly freeline anything you catch right back out. Thats how them big tourney boats are getting the big 40-60 pounders😉 ladyfish, spanny macs anything lively and 10-14 inches long on a multiple hook stinger rig. hold on tight. the drag is That's great to hear. Lg threadfins not out of the question. Would a 1 oz troll weight be too much for a threadfin. Slow troll. Sounds like pins are a maybe, especially little bit out toward the channel Definitely will have a third rod and see what the spoon will bring in. Any love for trolling plastics? Or dead bait? And thank you for your invaluable info. I sure hope a good size king drags my yak for a little while. |
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Post by SkyJay on Oct 16, 2019 17:25:32 GMT -5
basically slow troll means moving slowly
enough to go with the flow of things
and let the live bait do the work.
the majority of the fish will be cruising
in ambush mode looking up.
Experiment with how much weight
if any at all.
a couple live chummers or some
chopped up dead doest hurt
any thing and the added stink
in the water could be the diference
between a bite and a follow.
We dont do a whole lot of trolling
these days, and limit our Kingfish
fishin basically to flat lines out
while we bottom fish but when we
did my favorite bait was a big ole
Drone Spoon. Sparkly Green got
us alot of bites in the chanel around
the markers back in the day.
And the green Mackeral pattern
Rapalla Magnum rarely survived
the swim. Having a problem
wrapping my mind around doing
this behind a Kayak though,
seems like an awful lot of paddling.
I believe if it were me Id wanna
reserve my energy for getting the hell
outta there if need be, or following
that fish of a lifetime.
Theres some big ole girls swimming
through right now.
Travelling fish looking for an easy meal.
I wish all the luck though.
Might wanna hit ole BigWman up
with a private message for some
kayak Kingfishing tips.
Hes the man when it comes to yak
fishin on here.
fish on
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Post by phishead on Oct 16, 2019 18:21:21 GMT -5
basically slow troll means moving slowly enough to go with the flow of things and let the live bait do the work. the majority of the fish will be cruising in ambush mode looking up. Experiment with how much weight if any at all. a couple live chummers or some chopped up dead doest hurt any thing and the added stink in the water could be the diference between a bite and a follow. We dont do a whole lot of trolling these days, and limit our Kingfish fishin basically to flat lines out while we bottom fish but when we did my favorite bait was a big ole Drone Spoon. Sparkly Green got us alot of bites in the chanel around the markers back in the day. And the green Mackeral pattern Rapalla Magnum rarely survived the swim. Having a problem wrapping my mind around doing this behind a Kayak though, seems like an awful lot of paddling. I believe if it were me Id wanna reserve my energy for getting the hell outta there if need be, or following that fish of a lifetime. Theres some big ole girls swimming through right now. Travelling fish looking for an easy meal. I wish all the luck though. Might wanna hit ole BigWman up with a private message for some kayak Kingfishing tips. Hes the man when it comes to yak fishin on here. fish on Skyjay, you da man. Thank for the info. I will use a trolling motor, but I think it will be more drifting then energized trolling. Unless there is not tide movement and no wind. I am thinking to bring a drone spoon, may be with a 1/2 oz weight. And experiment. It sounds as if most of the methods will and do work. |
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Post by phishead on Oct 21, 2019 13:23:41 GMT -5
I have some trolling sinkers that have a nice ball bearing swivel on one end. Do you tie the main line to the swivel or the leader.
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Post by SkyJay on Oct 21, 2019 15:32:15 GMT -5
i put swivel to leader for less line twist
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Post by phishead on Oct 24, 2019 7:34:07 GMT -5
When using greenbacks or pins slow trolling or balloon. What leader do you use. Drone spoon and plastics have a lot of distance between the hooks and leader but live bait will not.
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Post by SkyJay on Oct 24, 2019 7:41:36 GMT -5
6 inches 40 # coffee wire
#2 xxx strong treble
100# tiny specialty swivel
haywire twist
chain on stingers for larger baits
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Post by SkyJay on Oct 24, 2019 7:44:05 GMT -5
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Post by phishead on Oct 24, 2019 8:22:22 GMT -5
6 inches 40 # coffee wire #2 xxx strong treble 100# tiny specialty swivel haywire twist chain on stingers for larger baits So make your own stingers custom fit Sweet. I think I may shorten a couple of pre made ones. But it is time to learn how to make my own. |
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Post by phishead on Oct 25, 2019 20:04:12 GMT -5
Planning to troll again this Monday. Upon checking my tackle I discovered a kingfish hit. Bait 20 min prior to the shark hookup i remember hearing the reel screen for a split second. I figured a hit a patch of seaweed or debris. I teed in to check but all clear. Well today I did a close inspection on a brand new lg rapala magnum. And guess what, nasty teeth marks. Just missed the hook. Dang it. Now I’m even more stoked for Monday.
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Post by SkyJay on Oct 25, 2019 20:32:39 GMT -5
live bait man
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Post by phishead on Oct 25, 2019 21:50:34 GMT -5
This time for sure. If that was live bait that’s king would have come back for the other half. That first trip was a good learning experience. Planning to troll with rapala and drone against the tide from the East beach to the bay pier. Then drift back with ballon and freeline both with live bait. Then repeat. I should be able to do this 4 times on one battery. |
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Post by SkyJay on Oct 25, 2019 23:21:21 GMT -5
youre trolling against the tide? 😳
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Post by phishead on Oct 26, 2019 7:16:10 GMT -5
youre trolling against the tide? 😳 Few reasons. First being on a yak I am very limited. Can’t go out too far and battery life. Don’t need to move fast to get good action on plastics and spoon. I run two rods and on yak they are only 30” part. So I can’t zig zag or even turn too much. They lines get tangled. And it whats my alternative. I’m launching at East beach. I can either go left with the incoming and after I troll for a mile then what, got to go back against the tide. Plus I don’t want to go to the nnp. Or I can go out straight toward the shipping channel and kind of zig zag there or so large circles. That is a possibility. Or head right toward desoto pier against the tide, and then drift back. What would you do. Keep in mind. It’s a kayak so battery life and safety are important. |
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Post by phishead on Oct 26, 2019 7:25:58 GMT -5
I understand that if I’m trolling for grouper I want to go with the tide as grouper will be facing the current looking for pray. But I’m going after a fast moving swimmer so covering ground will be of more important.
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Post by SkyJay on Oct 26, 2019 13:49:56 GMT -5
youre fine buddy
keep experimenting
I know in the boat it is way easier to
troll with the wind behind you.
I, in my late night stupor had a brain fart
and was confusing wind with current.
As far as the live baiting goes I believe
I'd want to get as far out off the Gulf Pier
as you SAFELY can and putz around
adjacent to that area where the bait is.
Maybe a small anchor to slow your
drift so you dont blow out of there so
quickly. But look out for dumbasses
with more money than sense out there.
especially on weekends.
Its like an interstate.
But hey what do I know.
Never really fished out of Kayak
that much. Especially what youre
attempting to do.
I do think youd be better off however
concentrating your efforts to a large
live bait out off the beaches there.
Thats where the Smokers are cruising
thru.
good luck
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Post by phishead on Oct 26, 2019 15:52:42 GMT -5
This time I am taking the time to collect bait before hand. Once you are out there on the kayak trolling you really don’t have time to catch bait. Too much to tend to
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Post by SkyJay on Oct 26, 2019 20:58:41 GMT -5
it only takes one bait if its the right bait.
😉
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