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Post by SkyJay on Jun 2, 2019 20:04:08 GMT -5
in my opinion for the Skyway the best option in the Shimano Torium 30 or 50. the old style metal body, not the new fancy plastic black one. Just like in Huys video. before that I used a Daiwa Sealine hsd50 with great results but love my toriums. should be able to find one for a reasonable price on ebay. forget everything youve heard about low gear reels for grouper fishing offshore. You want the highest gear ratio you can afford so you can
CRANK DONT YANK
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Post by parkpass on Jun 2, 2019 20:44:30 GMT -5
Good stuff.....just ordered a 9 foot heavy action rod....teramar....waiting to see how it feels with the 500-600 tekotas I have....both low speed and not acceptable so I'll trade both for a case of Corona, and I have 2 Star 8' heavy rods I'll throw in for another case
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Post by SkyJay on Jun 2, 2019 22:14:30 GMT -5
tekotas are good reels 4.2 -1 is a pretty fast gear ratio not quite as fast ( which dont really matter) i was just saying faster reels give you an extra advantage in the rockpiles. didnt mean to imply that others were "not acceptable"😧
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Post by Mackerelman on Jun 2, 2019 22:32:23 GMT -5
I have and like the Penn 114 H Special 6/0 Senator with 80lb. test line for Grouper & Large Snappers. I also use a Penn Spinfisher V SSV10500 spooled with 80lb. test line. I have pulled up a few Nice Grouper & Nice Snappers with it. Here is one. 37 inches & 20 lbs. It was Too Big for the Cooler.
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Post by SkyJay on Jun 2, 2019 22:45:16 GMT -5
that was a real nice fish. it's a shame you couldnt have gotten a better picture of him.
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Post by Mackerelman on Jun 3, 2019 7:10:06 GMT -5
that was a real nice fish. it's a shame you couldnt have gotten a better picture of him. SkyJay, Here is another Picture of it. Here it is being weighed.
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Post by sigeptrooper02 on Jun 3, 2019 14:14:04 GMT -5
in my opinion for the Skyway the best option in the Shimano Torium 30 or 50. the old style metal body, not the new fancy plastic black one. Just like in Huys video. before that I used a Daiwa Sealine hsd50 with great results but love my toriums. should be able to find one for a reasonable price on ebay. forget everything youve heard about low gear reels for grouper fishing offshore. You want the highest gear ratio you can afford so you can CRANK DONT YANK ended up ordering the Daiwa Sealine - X SHA 50. It was much more affordable over the Torium and the gear ratio was almost as good. I think it was 6.1:1 for the Daiwa versus 6.2:1 for the Torium. also ordered some 100 Lb test. mono and floro. I'm going to get my revenge! When I catch that grouper he is going to have 8 hooks already in his mouth! ( they are all mine and I want my gear back!) then it's sammich time!
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Post by SkyJay on Jun 3, 2019 14:25:29 GMT -5
i suggest spooling the reel with braid to a mono topshot it works better than straight mono slicing through the current and the added sensitivity gives you a better "feel" of whats going on out there with your bait, the bottom, the current ect. not to mention when you do hook up you feel the fight better with less stretch. If you use straight 100 mono its gonna want to ride up in the current once you get on out there. youre objective is to swim that bait down.
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Post by Fish.On. on Jun 3, 2019 16:34:18 GMT -5
i suggest spooling the reel with braid to a mono topshot it works better than straight mono slicing through the current and the added sensitivity gives you a better "feel" of whats going on out there with your bait, the bottom, the current ect. not to mention when you do hook up you feel the fight better with less stretch. If you use straight 100 mono its gonna want to ride up in the current once you get on out there. youre objective is to swim that bait down. This may be a dumb question but when freelining, how do you know when the livebait is swimming in the strike zone?
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Post by SkyJay on Jun 3, 2019 16:45:34 GMT -5
not a dumb question at all actually a very important piece of the puzzle. the more you do it the more you'll get a feel for it. hook your bait in the anal fin area and let it swim down. you'll feel it kicking and squiggling trying to break free trust me they will go down eventually thats why its so important to have a good supply of fresh caught lively baits onhand before you start fishin as they tire out and can no longer struggle they will start to rise at which point you will feel a dull contant surge against your line. that would be the baitfish spinning in the current on top. time to change your bait... or your line will get so twisted up youll have a big mess.
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Post by parkpass on Jun 3, 2019 16:52:24 GMT -5
9 out of 10 will never go down, that's why I despise freelining. If you're out 70-80 yds and he's still fluttering on the surface ease him back about 10yds and see what he does, if he stays on the surface put a fresh one on. Only takes one dumb pinfish to get a nice gag
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Post by SkyJay on Jun 3, 2019 17:09:22 GMT -5
9 out of 10 will never go down, that's why I despise freelining. If you're out 70-80 yds and he's still fluttering on the surface ease him back about 10yds and see what he does, if he stays on the surface put a fresh one on. Only takes one dumb pinfish to get a nice gag if youre only getting 1 in 10 to go down yer doin somethin wrong boss. no wonder yer frustrated. keep in mind guys theres gonna be times when the current is just to fn strong at the peak. either knocker rig in between the piles or take a breather when it gets to swift. sometimes to take a little heat off the bait a ballon about 13-15 ft will help. dam 9 out of 10? r e a l l y ?
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Post by havetofish on Jun 3, 2019 17:33:25 GMT -5
As Skyjay said earlier, using braid not only for feel but also less resistance to current. The further out you are the more the resistance. Many times you will think your bait is still swimming out and you keep feeding line, but its really just the line being taken past where the bait is already on the bottom. Always reel in a little if you can't feel him twitching, to see if your not already hung up in the rockpiles and if not then let out enough line again to let him swim down. Basically if you can't feel him swimming its time to do something and that's probably changing bait If he's getting really active and twitching a lot, chance are something is in pursuit, so get ready for a strike.
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Post by SkyJay on Jun 3, 2019 17:44:07 GMT -5
adding a baloon can really speed up the learning curve for some of you beginners. It will really accelerate your understanding of how the current runs and figure out the best spots
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Post by havetofish on Jun 3, 2019 17:47:48 GMT -5
adding a baloon can really speed up the learning curve for some of you beginners. It will really accelerate your understanding of how the current runs and figure out the best spots Totally agree and don't be afraid to watch the guys who know how to do it.
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Post by Mackerelman on Jun 3, 2019 17:51:19 GMT -5
adding a baloon can really speed up the learning curve for some of you beginners. It will really accelerate your understanding of how the current runs and figure out the best spots Totally agree and don't be afraid to watch the guys who know how to do it. Adding the Balloon also lets You know where Your Bait is.
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Post by parkpass on Jun 3, 2019 17:57:05 GMT -5
The bigger the bait the easier it is to get them down, a palm sized pin doesn't qualify, but most times that's all you can get. 8" pigfish, blue runners, or jacks will go straight to the bottom but you gotta have a reel that you can cast at least to the front of the rockpiles, or use a weight that makes casting easier. I've watched guys use a 2oz weight under a ballon, pop it free and let it fall straight down in the rocks with success.....and failure
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Post by havetofish on Jun 3, 2019 18:06:10 GMT -5
The bigger the bait the easier it is to get them down, a palm sized pin doesn't qualify, but most times that's all you can get. 8" pigfish, blue runners, or jacks will go straight to the bottom but you gotta have a reel that you can cast at least to the front of the rockpiles, or use a weight that makes casting easier. I've watched guys use a 2oz weight under a ballon, pop it free and let it fall straight down in the rocks with success.....and failure Yep, that's another way to do it, but once he drops he ain't going nowhere. But hopefully you drop it front of a gag hole. The small pins are best used for the bottom in between rockpiles. They don't call them grouper candy for nothing. All I can say is these are all tips, but if anyone is catching keepers keep doing what your doing.
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Post by SkyJay on Jun 3, 2019 18:59:40 GMT -5
😳
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Post by SkyJay on Jun 3, 2019 19:00:16 GMT -5
do what whu whu what? 😳
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Post by SkyJay on Jun 3, 2019 19:01:58 GMT -5
what we got here is a failure to comunicate. 😧
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Post by SkyJay on Jun 3, 2019 19:03:00 GMT -5
im out
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Post by parkpass on Jun 3, 2019 22:02:08 GMT -5
Man, I've seen some crazy sheet out there.....one day I watched a guy using empty water bottles on a rising back under the old pier catching short gags until he ran out of bottles, same technique....float it out and pop it loose
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Post by sigeptrooper02 on Jun 4, 2019 7:26:27 GMT -5
Man, I've seen some crazy sheet out there.....one day I watched a guy using empty water bottles on a rising back under the old pier catching short gags until he ran out of bottles, same technique....float it out and pop it loose that's awesome for the environment......
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