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Post by Mackerelman on Jan 2, 2019 13:39:23 GMT -5
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Post by SkyJay on Jan 2, 2019 15:30:49 GMT -5
as long as these fish are allowed to be comercially and indesciminatly slaughtered for monetary profit there is no fair system. this past Saturday we released numerous Red Snapper to 15 lbs. If theyre so endangered a native taxpaying floridian must endure a closed season while the Corporation is allowed continued harvest its a mute point. Bag and size limits I understand but the present system has very little to do with conservation and everything to do with economic gain.
my 2 cents
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Post by tears143 on Jan 2, 2019 15:36:27 GMT -5
Red snapper are moving closer and closer to land... Soon it will be like that funny video that someone posted years ago... only catching red snapper in the bay and cannot get away from them.
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Post by Mackerelman on Jan 2, 2019 15:59:37 GMT -5
The States need tighter Laws on the Commercial Fishing Industry on Red Snapper & a Reduction on their catch allotments. This would help the Private Fishing Industry and the Red Snapper population would possibly return to years past. The Commercial Fishing Industry is who is ruining it for everyone due to Over-Fishing the Red Snapper. Every time I have went out in the last Few Years, the Red Snapper have taken over the Grouper hang outs. That proves that there are plenty of Red Snapper out there but the Commercial Fishing Industries does not want Private Fisherman catching any. The rules should be equal to All and not just for the Private Fisherman. Fishing Industries with the Big Bucks are forcing out the Private Fisherman in catching the Red Snapper.
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Post by sigeptrooper02 on Jan 2, 2019 16:10:53 GMT -5
The recreational fisherman gets cheated by a greedy industry because the flesh of red snapper is so appealing over other species of fish. I lived in Pensacola for many years and when I would go bottom dropping offshore up there, we would catch more red snapper than any other species, but forced by B.S. regulations to release them. Even though the mortality rate is really high for releasing something you catch in 150+ feet of water, they often don't make it back down to the bottom (whether you poke a hole in the bladder or not). If the biomass of red snapper is so thin than why am I catching more of those than anything else??? It's all about the greed of an industry backed by politicians these industries lobby to keep in office....... sorry, rant over!
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Post by tears143 on Jan 2, 2019 18:15:01 GMT -5
The government are just directing our attention against the commercial sector...
Government need better management of the fish period. They are growing so fast and too many out there now..
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Post by SkyJay on Jan 2, 2019 18:27:03 GMT -5
there are tons of Red Snapper. and as far as "our" area - even more than "years" past. They have reached a point of infestation on many/most Gag-Mango spots. cant hardly get a bait to the bottom. no sale- open season 1 per person per day possibly with a slot limit
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Post by parkpass on Jan 2, 2019 20:04:43 GMT -5
Good news, can't wait til they are thick in the bay
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Post by alaskaguy on Jan 2, 2019 21:00:52 GMT -5
Here Is the Problem, There are 22 Million people that live in Florida! There are 750 thousand that live in my home state, we also have the largest fishery in the world. Here's a question, how many of those 22 Million can pay $18 per lb at the fish store for ARS? I will not invest in a off shore (Florida) boat just for the reason that I cant keep the fish I like. Fl did change there fishery to Quota so the guys that bought there permit in the 60s/70s for $25 are worth lots. My friend in Tarpon just sold 700# of his ARS quota for $100,000 Florida does a bad job managing there fishery, they always have.
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Post by SkyJay on Jan 2, 2019 22:49:02 GMT -5
Id rather eat a big Mango than a Red Snapper any day. Another angle here is Red Snapper are delicious and also easily harvested. Mangos not so easy. The comercial powers that be have lobbied and campaigned thier guys in to position of power in order to steer the rules/regs in thier favor. Its all one big sham.
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Post by willdawson84 on Jan 3, 2019 9:49:19 GMT -5
I cannot stand hearing people always blaming commercial fishing for problems i am a commercial fisherman but i also do it with ethics an i belive it can be done if people want to do it right. problems from our past should teach our future at one point i heard false stock assesment numbers were cooked up by sombody that was paid off to print them what part of that is on commercial industry? That needs regulaition greed. Im really to the point where i think everybody ought to hurt the same here nobody should fish ever just walk to the surfline an sigh an say we had it good back then
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Post by willdawson84 on Jan 3, 2019 9:51:01 GMT -5
As long as red tide dosnt kill all that swims first of coarse
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Post by SkyJay on Jan 3, 2019 12:08:00 GMT -5
my problem is not with comercial fishermen in general just so we're clear. lord knows I have sold my share of fish. my problem is with a few fat rich people profiting from a natural resource harvested from a public environment that belongs to you and me both, while the rest of us are forced to release fish in the name of conservation. (They used to sell Redfish to) Its a special kind of stupid.
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Post by dfirmstone4 on Jan 3, 2019 12:42:10 GMT -5
what they need to do is open it up for the same time as Gag Season June - Dec and make it 1 fish per day per person within a 22 - 25 inch slot.
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Post by alaskaguy on Jan 3, 2019 13:02:27 GMT -5
my problem is not with comercial fishermen in general just so we're clear. lord knows I have sold my share of fish. my problem is with a few fat rich people profiting from a natural resource harvested from a public environment that belongs to you and me both, while the rest of us are forced to release fish in the name of conservation. (They used to sell Redfish to) Its a special kind of stupid. X2 rich people rule the country and always will, I will say the state does watch the commercial guys pretty close. the fish are all logged and can only be off loaded by the fish house (buyer) the boats carry a electronic device so the state can tell when and were the boats fish. so it least the state has some rules in place to keep the rich from buying a permit for there own personal use.
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Post by tears143 on Jan 3, 2019 13:04:42 GMT -5
what they need to do is open it up for the same time as Gag Season June - Dec and make it 1 fish per day per person within a 22 - 25 inch slot. Lots of red snapper die just from being caught... so yeah...
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Post by alaskaguy on Jan 3, 2019 13:15:58 GMT -5
what they need to do is open it up for the same time as Gag Season June - Dec and make it 1 fish per day per person within a 22 - 25 inch slot. Lots of red snapper die just from being caught... so yeah... Yes they do die, Our Rock fish can be up to 50yrs old, (really look it up) so try and release a fish from 160 ft of water after venting or other device and they will pop up . Sad, Halibut on the other hand don't have air blaters so they swim back down were they came from. also the reason Halibut don't lite up fish finders.
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Post by tears143 on Jan 3, 2019 17:58:02 GMT -5
Lots of red snapper die just from being caught... so yeah... Yes they do die, Our Rock fish can be up to 50yrs old, (really look it up) so try and release a fish from 160 ft of water after venting or other device and they will pop up . Sad, Halibut on the other hand don't have air blaters so they swim back down were they came from. also the reason Halibut don't lite up fish finders. That's why I think having a slot 22" - 25" will have a negative affect... just like having 1 fish per person and a lot of people will throw the keeper yet small size back down and hope they survive. I do not have an better idea though. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by parkpass on Jan 3, 2019 20:06:10 GMT -5
I don't know how anyone can believe Florida's politicians could make this equitable for all parties. They can't even control the runaway development in this state
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Post by parkpass on Jan 3, 2019 22:45:59 GMT -5
I believe it's in our best interest to focus more on our bay and take what we can get from the offshore stuff
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Post by alaskaguy on Jan 5, 2019 19:29:52 GMT -5
X2
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Post by parkpass on Jan 5, 2019 21:22:25 GMT -5
St. Pete recently had an accidental spill that sent thousands of gallons of wastewater into the bay and were issued a paltry $25,000 fine....bastids
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